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  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    May 4, 2022 at 11:24 am

    1. We don’t produce any FOIA documents dealing with IRS record discovery.

    2. We only link to documents on the SEDM website.

    3. If you have questions about this subject, you should direct them to SEDM.

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    4. This most likely relates to IMF decoding, in which case that is a Member Subscription subject matter within their forums.

    Thanks for your interest in the ministry.

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    April 22, 2022 at 3:23 pm

    1. That clarifies a lot. The Informer’s approach won’t solve the problem of commerce or travel for most people, so it will never get any traction.

    2. Nevertheless, the article that started this still has huge holes surrounding the CIVIL status of citizen as well. Its voluntary and you don’t have to accept it. That’s the main implication of the First Amendment, in fact. If you don’t consent to the status, under the common law you are a national and not a CIVIL STATUTORY “subject”. You have this choice because all citizens are nationals and a citizen is someone who consents. An act of birth is not an act of consent, and birth or naturalization both produce national or nationality status, not STATUTORY CIVIL “citizen” status. All just CIVIL powers of government derived ONLY from consent.

    3. The Whiting article doesn’t address this aspect, probably deliberately, because they don’t want to spill the beans on this. It uses the word “law”, but anything that produces a CIVIL obligation requires consent in some form or it simply doesn’t satisfy the legal definition of “law”. See:

    What is “law”?-IMPORTANT!

    https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/WhatIsLaw.pdf

    4. An obligation and the corresponding right it gives rise to in law is “property”. Any attempt to take property CIVILLY without compensation is THEFT.

    https://sedm.org/LibertyU/AvoidGovernmentObligations.pdf

    A failure to respect these principles literally means that we are ALL slaves and that human trafficking and slavery, which is an INTERNATIONAL crime, is OK.

    So, the Informer is propagating “Patriot Mythology” on the subject of citizen status being mandatory or in the obligations attached to the CIVIL STATUTORY status of “citizen” being mandatory.

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    April 22, 2022 at 3:16 pm

    THEIR RESPONSE:

    In re passports, that’s correct. The informer didn’t have a passport, likely for this reason. there are other possible options, like this: https://worldservice.org/docpass.html

    A friend told me that people from countries that don’t issue passports use them and the are recognized by customs. I’m not much of a traveler so I haven’t bothered with it.

    Your other option for international travel is to make arrangements directly with the foreign consulate as an alien. the US would have to let you in if you can show them a birth certificate

    WHITING ALIEN PAGE, p. 322

    An alien owes no allegiance or obedience to our government, or to our constitution, laws, or proclamations. A citizen subject is bound to obey them all. In refusing such obedience, he is guilty of crime against his country, and finds in the law of nations no justification for disobedience. An alien, being under no such obligation. A justified in refusing such obedience. Over an alien enemy, our government unmake no constitution, law, or proclamation of obligatory force, because our laws bind only our own subjects and have no extra-territorial jurisdiction

    Over citizens who are subjects of this government, even if they have so far repudiated their duties as to become enemies, our constitution, statutes, and proclamations are the supreme law of the land. The fact that their enforcement is resisted does not make them void. It is not in the power of armed subjects of the Union to repeal or nullify our constitution, laws, or other governmental acts.

    SOURCE: The Legal Classics Library War Powers under The Constitution of the United

    Stales 1864 tenth Ed Entered by Act of Congress In the Clerk’s Office of the District Court of the District of Massachusetts Special Edition 1997.

    You can download a full copy of the book for free here:

    http://archive.org/details/warpowersunderc03whitmg

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    April 22, 2022 at 3:13 pm

    THEIR RESPONSE:

    In re passports, that’s correct. The informer didn’t have a passport, likely for this reason. there are other possible options, like this: https://worldservice.org/docpass.html

    A friend told me that people from countries that don’t issue passports use them and the are recognized by customs. I’m not much of a traveler so I haven’t bothered with it.

    Your other option for international travel is to make arrangements directly with the foreign consulate as an alien. the US would have to let you in if you can show them a birth certificate

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    April 22, 2022 at 12:21 am

    To summarize the argument about extraterritorial CIVIL (not criminal or common law) jurisdiction against nationals:

    1. Civil statutory jurisdiction is based on domicile. Federal rule of civil procedure 17.

    https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/Domicile.pdf

    2. Domicile is voluntary. Therefore civil statutory jurisdiction is voluntary.

    3. Your domicile doesn’t have to be where you live. District of Columbia v. Murphy.

    4. A court faced with joining you to a civil class action while domiciled abroad has to dismiss you because you are stateless

    https://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/CitesByTopic/StatelessPerson.htm

    5. Domicile is a civil statutory protection franchise, and you have a right not to receive a benefit or the civil statutory obligations that go with the benefit.

    6. You can’t have a civil status to which civil statutory obligations attach extraterritorially without your consent. Otherwise its human trafficking and slavery.

    https://sedm.org/Forms/13-SelfFamilyChurchGovnce/RightToDeclStatus.pdf

    7. If you damage someone extraterritorially, the common law is sufficient remedy. Statutory civil law is unnecessary.

    8. Common law and criminal law can operate extraterritorially without your consent, REGARDLESS of whether you are a national or not.

    9. All citizens are also nationals, according to the department of state. If you say you are not a national, the only other thing you can be is a STATUTORY CIVIL citizen subject extraterritorially to the statutory civil law.

    10. All citizens are volunteers. You can’t be one WITHOUT consenting. Its a privilege that comes with obligations. So by claiming THAT status rather than national, you just screwed yourself because you only have two choices on a passport application.

    https://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/CitesByTopic/citizen.htm

    11. You can’t get a passport as an alien. An alien is someone who is neither a citizen nor a national. You can’t be a citizen without also being a national. But you can be a national without being a citizen if you don’t consent to be a citizen. This is because citizen is a volunteer. IF the informer says he doesn’t want to be a national, then he can’t be a citizen EITHER and won’t be eligible for a passport. So the Informer’s position is completely untenable and impractical on the national issue.

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    April 21, 2022 at 2:08 pm

    Another article related to this subject and referenced by the author of the article mentioned in the lead post:

    Jurisdiction Over a National, The Informer Archives
    https://www.informerarchives.com/the-informer/jurisdiction/jurisdiction-over-a-national/

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    March 5, 2022 at 1:23 am

    Brandon,

    1. We don’t have a membership on this site, but our materials are still covered by the Disclaimer/License Agreement at:
    https://famguardian.org/disclaimer.htm

    2. All the links provided were for content NOT on this site, so they can’t be used in connection with THIS site and the membership of the sedm.org site applies.

    3. We generally do not recommend people using “tax information and services” available ONLY on this site unless they are following the approach on sedm.org, which means nonresident alien with no u.s. source earnings and a non-taxpayer.

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    March 4, 2022 at 12:27 pm

    Everything having to do with that filing and an explanation of the context is contained in:

    Sovereign Christian Marriage, Form #06.009
    https://sedm.org/Forms/FormIndex.htm

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    January 12, 2022 at 6:49 am

    The only proper form that members can use is the W-8. W-9 is incorrect for most americans. Procedures for using it are at:

    https://sedm.org/Forms/04-Tax/2-Withholding/W-8BEN/AboutIRSFormW-8BEN.htm

    The above goes with the following, which you should also read:

    Non-Resident Non-Person Position, Form #05.020
    https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/NonresidentNonPersonPosition.pdf

    We do not answer questions about SEDM materials, including any of the above. You have to be a member (free) of their site to ask questions in their forums. Please no further questions here about the above or reinventing the above here.

    You must be compliant and following their procedures to use their tax information or services directly. Compliance is described in:

    https://sedm.org/participate/compliant-member-only-content/

    Good luck.

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    December 8, 2021 at 1:21 pm

    Items 1 and 2 in the above are the only method we know of at this time. Please see our answer to your other question on the same subject.

    https://famguardian.org/forums/topic/nationalized-citizen-seeking-advice/

    Naturalized citizen seeking information

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    December 8, 2021 at 1:13 pm

    Karen,

    Our understanding is that the State Department limits the process you describe to those in possessions such as American Samoa and Swain’s Island. Although technically it does apply to state citizens, they interpret the term “U.S. national” to be limited to those places incorrectly so that they don’t hemorrhage the tax system. They do this IN SPITE of the fact that the courts frequently refer to state nationals as “U.S. nationals”, as documented in:

    Why You are a “national”, “state national”, and Constitutional but Not Statutory Citizen
    https://famguardian.org/Publications/WhyANational/WhyANational.pdf

    Therefore, the process will most likely not get you what you want. Its more important to use the correct process to apply for a USA passport found on the following sedm.org forms:

    1. Getting a USA Passport as a State National, Forms 10.012
    https://sedm.org/member-subscription-forms/getting-a-usa-passport-as-a-state-national-form-09-007/

    2. USA Passport Application Attachment, Form #06.007
    https://sedm.org/product/usa-passport-application-attachment-form-06-007/

    Lastly, please never again use the word “seeking advice” in these forums. We don’t give legal advice on this site. We only give non-factual beliefs and opinions that are educational in nature and point to credible sources of evidence on the subject originating from other than us. We changed the title of your lead post to reflect this fact.

    Thanks for paying close attention to the subject before posting your question. And welcome to the fellowship.

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    November 10, 2021 at 11:41 pm

    1. That website is run by Dan Evans, who also runs Quatloos.com.

    2. We talk about Dan Evans in:

    Who’s Who in the Freedom Community

    https://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/CaseStudies/WhosWho/WhosWho.htm

    3. He is an IRS shill and has testified before congress before.

    4. We have followed his https://quatloosia.blogspot.com/ and quatloos.com sites for years.

    5. He hates famguardian and sedm but has not ever tried to rebut anything currently posted on our site. So he apparently agrees with what is here, even though Quatloos.com attacks just about every other freedom lover or tax honesty advocate out there.

    https://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=30&sid=257ef930a67ab4c45bb216c1017d0e34

    6. He stopped mentioning our site after 2006, when the IRS tried to enjoin our activities and got nowhere. We suspect this is because linking to or mentioning us on his quatloos site would generate so many people irate at him and so many questions that he can’t answer or rebut, that he just ignores is instead.

    Quatloos and Evans are not alone in this approach. It is REALLY hard to find anyone who attacks tax protesters that is even willing to mention either famguardian or sedm. This is true even on the HUGE international Wikipedia encyclopedia. This is quite surprising, given that we are the virtual hub with the largest audience in the freedom community. Apparently, we must have our ducks in a row. So you are definitely in a very mainstream and more importantly, SAFE place that draws no crossfire.

    7. Most if not all of the flawed arguments he makes are rebutted in:

    SEDM Liberty University, Section 8

    https://sedm.org/LibertyU/LibertyU.htm

    There may be a few small issues he makes that haven’t been rebutted in the above, but most are.

    8. His arguments are directly rebutted at:

    https://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/FalseRhetoric/TRFAQ/TRFAQ.htm

    9. Its pointless to rewrite the above resources and they are quite exhaustive about all the available flawed arguments. Just read the above for the rebuttal.

    Welcome to the site.

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    November 8, 2021 at 12:00 pm

    We cannot grant permissions for materials on a site that is not ours. Ask them. But before you do at least read their Membership Agreement and Terms of Use and Service. We don’t answer for sedm.

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    October 26, 2021 at 3:29 am

    1. Submit the CORRECT withholding form, which is the W-8BEN.

    https://sedm.org/Forms/04-Tax/2-Withholding/W-8BEN/AboutIRSFormW-8BEN.htm

    2. Deliver it with a Proof of Mailing and a cover letter indicating the previous W-9 is WITHDRAWN:

    https://sedm.org/Forms/01-General/CertificateOfSvc.zip

    3. Read the following:

    Federal and State Withholding Options for Private Employers, Form #09.001
    https://sedm.org/Forms/09-Procs/FedStateWHOptions.pdf

    Non-Resident Non-Person Position, Form #05.020
    https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/NonresidentNonPersonPosition.pdf

    4. Take full, complete, and exclusive responsibility for applying the above in your own case, because we can’t give legal advice, and you shouldn’t interpret THIS as legal advice. This is what we would do personally if faced with the situation, not what you can or even should do. We are not a free liability insurance company to insulate people from complete, exclusive, and personal responsibility for themselves. Sovereignty BEGINS with personal responsibility. You can’t own yourself without agreeing to take complete, exclusive, and personal responsibility for yourself.

    Good luck, and don’t ask questions about withholding here beyond the help above. You’re on your own and the above is MORE than sufficient. If you don’t like to read, learn to like bending over

    If you need help beyond this, we recommend http://sedm.org

  • fg_admin

    Administrator
    October 20, 2021 at 3:05 am

    Neither this ministry nor any member are authorized to give legal advice. That is what you are asking for when you ask someone to promise that something “works”, whatever THAT means.

    AND, it’s a biblical sin to become surety for others. Promising it will “work” is an example of doing exactly that, because it transfer responsibility for the result on the person saying it, rather than the person DOING it.

    Dangerous Promises

    “My son, if you become surety for your friend, If you have shaken hands in pledge for [or made a promise or guarantee to] a stranger, You are snared by the words of your mouth; You are taken by the words of your mouth. So do this, my son, and deliver yourself; For you have come into the hand of your friend: Go and humble yourself; Plead with your friend. Give no sleep to your eyes, Nor slumber to your eyelids. Deliver yourself like a gazelle from the hand of the hunter, And like a bird from the hand of the fowler.”
    [Prov. 6:1-5, Bible, NKJV]

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