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I am puzzled why you are wasting your time wondering.

What difference does it make? It sounds to me as if you are ill prepared to assert certain of your fundamental Rights.

Buried within those mortgage documents will be an very brief affidavit asking you to declare yourself as a “U.S. person”, and that is something that your should know how to address before closing. Say, Layed, do you even know what a “U.S. person” is?

All banks in the USA that offer FDIC Insurance, try and trick folks into declaring themselves to be “U.S. persons.” This is a direct result of the unholy trinity that was formed long ago by the corrupt U.S. Congress, the corrupted Federal Reserve Board, and your local bank. And if you ask a bank employee what a “U.S. person” is, they will invariably declare that they “do not know”.

Regarding your so-called “issue”, why not check the “no” box, and write “I am an natural born American Citizen and state national.”

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Proceed with caution. Layed the nature of your question indicates that you need to do alot more studying about these matters. The info and opinions are at FG and SEDM, so no need to be lazy, get crackin'.

If you are a U.S. citizen under federal statutes, then by all means, be honest and say so.

However, if you were born on non-federal land inside one of the Union states, then you are NOT a U.S. citizen under federal statutes, even though you are a U.S. citizen under the USA Constituion. If such is the case, you are an American National and a state national.

One can be a national but not a citizen, See 8 USC 1452 and 8 USC 1101 (a) 21 and (a) 22 for proof.

This post is NOT legal advice but is merely my hypothetical opinion and I am not a licensed attorney. . . . . thank God. 😀

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As an aside, since the USA became a signatory to the Berne Convention, which is a Treaty governing copyrights, a work is immediately copyrighted as soon as it is in a “fixed form.” Whereas, prior to the the USA becoming a signatory to the Berne Convention, the copyright law in the USA required an author to first register their work with the Copyright Office, before a copyright was issued and became valid.

That said, if an author hopes to obtain economic damages from someone who has misused one of your copyrighted works, then in that case, you first must register two copies of your work with the Copyright Office located in the Library of Congress.

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I agree with you Riverway.

The excerpt from the USA Constitution that was quoted by Sonik relates the granting of Copyrights and Patents to authors and inventors.

The Founding Fathers knew that it was important to protect the property interests of American Citizens in order to spur economic development and drive the engine of invention and progress in the new united States of America.

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Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 23 2006, 11:01 PM:

Well at least we know that one full day is spent on learning what actually matters in school. I am truely intrigued. But then again, what is the jurisdictional foundation of such encouragement?

Oh wait I found it… I guess it would perhaps fall under Article 1, Section 8's Promote clause…

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The jurisdictional basis is derived from the nexus that is created when an educational institution accepts money from the U.S. Government's Dept of Education. It is pretty clear. Please see above.

The Federal Government has no control of or lawful authority to dictate the educational practices and policies of schools located on non-federal land inside one of the several Union states. Sadly though, nearly all educational adminstrators are ignorant of these basic facts.

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Yeah, yeah, I hear ya.

I am both a realist an an optimist.

We don't need 1 million people.

100 to 500 genuine Americans is all we need to begin to build the grassroots system and do educational outreach to our highschools, colleges, Law Schools, etc.

But first, we have to identify a group of wealthy angel investors who are willing to fund our efforts in the hope that we can restore our beloved Constitutional Republic and then create a Strategic Plan.

I agree with you about the stale and stagnant nature of the WTP website. It seems they lost steam or something. I dunno.

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Bravo New Hampshire!!! Live free or die!!!

One will still be able to use a USA Passport to board a plane, enter a federal building, etc., etc., thus, one will not need a so-called national ID card.

What we need are fillable, pro-forma letters that American Citizens and state nationals can readily use to send to their respective state legislatures and to the editors of local newspapers.

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Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 22 2006, 02:38 AM:

Okay …. so what now?

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I will tell you “what now.”

We need a Master Strategic Plan that is broken down by region, then by state, and then by county. We need to assess where we are, what our goals should be and what they are, and we need to put in place systems that allow us to track our progress towards achieving our mission. Each Strategic Plan for every Union state, should feed into and be consistent with the USA Master Plan. And every county Plan should likewise be consistent with the respective state Plan.

What now?

We need to identify our Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats,(SWOT) and then prepare a series of SWOT Profiles that will better leverage our Strengths to help us seize our Opportunities, while minimizing and isolating our weaknesses and countering our environmental Threats. And the Leaders need to do this SWOT Profiling continuously and constantly take the pulse of events. And we must be brutally honest with ourselves and forgo any pie-in-the-sky stuff. Focus on achievable, measurable results and hold People accountable.

What now?

First and foremost, the Tax Honesty Movement is way too fractured and too widely dispersed to be nearly as effective as it could be. And because of this, we lack a coherent Strategic Plan that lays out our grand strategy and sub-strategies, as well as important operational tactics to be deployed to achieve the over-arching strategy. Yes, it is true that WTP put their Strategic Plan(if one can call it that) on the Web, but I am not so certain that that was a good thing to do for any number of reasons which I will not discuss here. There is a time and place for organizational transparency.

WTP is not the Center of the Universe in the Tax Honesty Movement, and the sooner folks stop looking to Bob Schulz and WTP to carry the full load, the quicker we can move the Agenda foreward individually and collectively. It is hardly fair to put all the pressure on Bob and WTP. We all have to step up and do our part by continually writing affidavits to the IRS's and DOJ Tax Division's top lawyers, and educating them about the Truth. And we must also continue educating our friends and relatives. Spread the Truth and move forward with courage, character and integrity at all times.

What now?

I will tell you something else, all of us in the Forum should know that our own Author spends a ton of his time and his own money making sure the opinions and political speech on this website is available to you all. So if you can, feel free to make whatever donations you can to the Author, be it money, research assistance, time identifying and proofreading materials, whatever you can do to make the website better and lessen the demands placed on Author, we should do.

What now?

Well, we sorely need more effective leadership and structure in the Tax Honesty Movement, one that is less confrontational with the US Government and instead, bypasses and outflanks them and uses scarce resources to educate at the grass roots level, especially the nation's Law Schools, Medical Schools, and MBA Programs. We need to better focus and concentrate our educational outreach forces to help educate these young adults.We are in a generational conflict for the hearts and minds of the future leaders of American Society, and the sooner we recognize that this is a decades long struggle of educational outreach, the sooner we will become more effective.

What now?

If we are to prevail, we will do so by grass roots outreach at the highschool, college, and at the graduate and professional school levels. We need to intercept these folks and get them the education that they so sorely need, so that they can make informed choices about whether they are lawfully required to pay income taxes to the IRS. In this regard, we must educate them about the “Trade or Business Scam”, the critical importance of Citizenship and Domicile, and about the Nonresident Alien Position.”

What now?

We need to create our own newspaper and have more of a web presence that is capable of making sustained footprints over wider geographic areas. And we need to design and create weblogs targeting young adults who are college age through age 34.

What now?

We need to better use and apply the principles of business management, group psychology, and sociology, to push and lead the Tax Honesty Movement forward and to not wait around for others to show leadership or to lead the way. Be pro-active, not reactive. In the words of the great Peter Drucker, we should all think and act like “Executives”.

What now?

We need to identify a core group of people, who are well spoken, have commanding stage presence, and help them locate a cadre of wealthy angel investors, who would be willing to fund “educational missions” into each of the several states. These missions should not be announced to the masses in advance, but instead, the covert Tax Honesty Teams should, for example, hold town hall meetings in key locales, especially in high schools and colleges, and distribute info and facts, BUT NOT SELL ANYTHING and NOT ask for donations. We have to EDUCATE, EDUCATE, and EDUCATE!! Each mission in each state, if funding is available, should last 30 days and should be intensive. we have to give the People the facts and tools so they can hold their servant government accountable.

Then, TEAM A takes a respite, and TEAM B leads the next educational mission into the next state. Repeat as necessary. We systematically attack (and here, I mean attack with educational materials and facts only, I DO NOT MEAN A physical attack), county by county, and focusing on core highschools and colleges. But way before we can embark on any of that, we need to identify folks who are willing to work the phones and quietly set up the meetings and build the logistics train in advance.

WTP's efforts this past summer were important, commendable and noteworthy, but I suspect that WTP over extended themselves and thus, never finished their Tour, because of inadequate prior planning and their inability to manage the logistics train or to identify in advance the volunteers needed to pull it off.

Now, I recall early last summer the WTP Announced publicly that there would be two major events planned for Washington, D.C. in Sept and Oct 2006, and it is obvious that BOTH those events will never come to pass. This is just the latest example of WTP over promising and then under delivering. This type of poor planning alienates prospective angel investors and financial supporters and raises doubts as to whether WTP has the Managment ability to do what it says it is going to do. Not good for any organization. What we should be doing consistently is under promising and then over delivering. We should never bite off more than we can chew because doing so undermines our credibility internally and externally.

This past summer, WTP traveling with all that production equipment was, just as I suspected and predicated it would be, a great hinderance and restricted their degrees of freedom of movement, so to speak, thus cutting short the important WTP nationwide tour and leaving countless folks greatly disappointed. It was a noble effort that fell short of its goals.

What now?

We need to do a better job identifying, befriending, and coopting disgruntled present IRS and DOJ employees and ex-employees. We need an INTEL system set up so that we can better track senior folks who are hired by the IRS and Tax Division by doing stuff as simple as tracking press releases and noting transfers and job appointments, etc.

What now?

We have to continue to keep pushing back the corrupt U.S. Government and equally corrupt IRS, that continues to mislead and lie to the American People.

In this regard, we must encourage individual Citizens to write affidavits to the DOJ and the IRS attorneys, setting forth important facts and requesting them to correct the facts if they can. We must, individually, stay on the offensive in this regard and pursue all non-violent means at our disposal to educate top IRS and DOJ attorneys.

And we have to continue grass roots education and organizational efforts.

And we have to gain access as guest speakers at high schools and colleges and expose the essential elements about the Bill of Rights and the USA Constitution, and the fact that the US Supreme Court has said that American Citizens have a Constitutionally protected Right to work for a living and that they also said that the Government (IRS) may not tax the exercise of one's Constitutional Rights.

What now?

We must greatly simplify Our Message while bolstering our credibility by relying upon and aligning ourselves with prior US Supreme Court decisions.

We must use and apply both direct and indirect methods to accomplish our strategies and goals in a non-violent fashion and to help restore the Unalienable Rights to all American Citizens, by teaching folks about the true nature of their fundamental Rights and helping them get up the personal courage to confront their private sector employers and the IRS and to stand up for themselves and assert their Constitutionally protected Natural Rights to Liberty and Property.

And that, Sonik Speed, sir, is my short answer to your question, “what now?”

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Fiddo, the url in your lead post is inoperable.

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woodwalker wrote on Sep 19 2006, 04:25 PM:

I figure it like this those people (if you can call them people) I would call them snakes but I think that would be insultings snakes to much over at losers at Quatloos will be in deep doo-doo when they have to stand before God and explain their actions. They will have a speical seat in the fire and brimstone. 😐

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Perhaps I may be wrong, but I suspect that the IRS employees who deceptively post over at Quatloos and repeatedly lie to and intentionally deceive unsuspecting American Citizens, will never get anywhere near God, much less appear before Him.

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Great job archiving the offensive thread, Constable!!

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Sonik, sir, I respecfully disagree.

We have a much higher ethical and posting standard in the Fam Guardian Forums then they have over at http://www.quatloos.com.

Next, the IRS has had 5+ years to refute and disprove the seminal treatise “The Great IRS Hoax”.

Second, the IRS's unwillingness and inability to refute the facts and free speech assertions made in the Hoax book, is perhaps the clearest indication that the IRS is not serious at getting at the Truth. And no number of IRS paid shills posting in this Fourm will alter or change the IRS party line.

If you read AndyK's posts, especially in his 1st month here, you will quickly see that one of his main goals was to sap the mental energy of the Fam Guardian regulars, by tricking them into wasting their time arguing with him (AndyK), even though he never had any intention of rebutting any of the issues raised.

Heck, AndyK repeatedly ignored standing US Supreme Court decisions when they were brought to his attention. And he skipped from post to post and thread to thread, seeking to bait whomever he could.

Sonik, if you are so eager to debate the IRS paid shills, why not simply join http://www.quatloos.com and debate all you want, and come back after 60 days and inform us of the progress that you think you have made over there. I have already BTDT and it got to the point where they were deleting my posts within 24 hours, lest any unsuspecting American Citizen stumble into their Forum and read the Truth about how the IRS is Anti-American and Anti-USA Constitution.

One can not reason or argue with people who deny essential, elemental Truths. For example, when I used to post at Q-Loser Land, they denied to me that the Declaration of Independence was one of the America's Organic Laws.

You will note that early on, I bowed out of and stopped trying to debate anything with AndyK, once I confirmed that he was present here under false pretenses and he refused to even acknowledge my points, and yours too, with respect to the US Government's limited jurisdiction inside the 50 Union states.

Finally, regarding “Audi alteram partem (Hear the other side – no one should be condemned unheard”, you are applying this principle incorrectly and out of context, because the IRS paid posters who have posted here, Brian Rookard, Mr. evans, and AndyK, have never demonstrated good faith. And People who consistently do not show good faith, do not deserve to be heard. Period.

AndyK's lack of good faith undermined everything he posted. And this fact, coupled with his unethical deception, directly resulted in AndyK's posting privileges being suspended.

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One thing is clear, is that the loser and IRS paid shills over at http://www.quatloos.com, a/k/a Q-Loser Land, do themselves, the IRS, and the US Government, a true disservice, when they show their true colors and belittle and make fun of the fact that Irwin had to have a toe amputated while in federal prison.

Ladies and gentlemen of the FAM Guardian Forums, please note and remember the cold heartedness of these remarks made by the IRS employees who post over at Q-Loser Land, this is the true nature of the enemy we are up against.

Mocking a nearly 80 year old man because he had his toe amputated, speaks volumes about the lack of character of the IRS paid posters at Q-Loser Land.

Dan Evans remarks excepted, the IRS employee's public posting regarding Mr. Schiff's recent amputation, goes beyond the pale and is simply disgraceful.

The IRS employees who post at http://www.quatloos.com should all be ashamed of themselves.

Their behaviour as depicted in their posts, is only the most recent example of their Anti-USA bias. These same IRS employees routinely belittle and mock good, patriotic American Citizens who are unjustly accused under the color of law.

These same IRS paid posters, to a person, and here I DO INCLUDE Dan Evans, repeatedly rejoice with unsurpassed glee when an honest American Citizen loses their personal liberty and is wrongfully convicted under color of law.

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P.S. Here is a prediction, let us count the hours before the IRS shills at the Q-Land delete all of the offensive jokes posted about Irwin's amputation. This is how the IRS supported liars at quatloos operate, they very quickly delete posts that reflect negatively upon the IRS. Just you watch and see.

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Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 18 2006, 01:53 AM:

Bing:

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My unmatched brilliance is only surpassed by my great modesty. Stated differently, “Bing's unmatched brilliance is only surpassed by Bing's great modesty.”

Sir, this is why I call you Professor Bing. 😀

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LOL!!! 😆 😀 😛

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To: SonikSpeed

From: Bing

RE: Your Appeal of the suspension of AndyK's FAM Guardian Forum account

Sonik, sir, your Appeal is not really an “Appeal”, because you lack standing.

AndyK has had many months to honor his word and fulfill the commitment that he made in writing and to fulfill his public promises to us.

It was unprofessional and deceptive for AndyK to intentionally mislead us by insisting that he would answer certain questions concerning the IRS' Trade or Business Scam, and then not follow-through and honor his word.

AndyK's deceptive and unethical practices may be acceptable at the IRS, but they are unacceptable in the Family Guardian BBS Forums.

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