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ehudmii wrote on Sep 14 2006, 09:50 PM:Quote:When a corrupt federal government imprisons American Citizens unjustly under color of law, this is a clear indication that the US Government is the enemy of the People.The principle stated here is as clear and excellent as any quotable-quote that one may copy from any public figure, past or present.
Bing! – the tone of the bell has perfect pitch,…
Hey, y'all! Hear the bell!
Bing! The man speaks of liberty!
Bing! Hey! Hey! Wake up, y'all!
Moreover, the evidence that proves the validity of the principle is also the evidence that demonstrates that no one should hold faith in the possibility that solutions-at-law will prevail,… against criminals that make law (and judge people) contrary to the authority that establishes their office in government.
The proven character of modern jurisprudence – in any nation you care to name – is not a historical anomaly. The absence of tyranny is the historical anomaly,… and the absence of tyranny is known only to such persons as will refuse it's existence.
Anyone care to offer a historical precedent that demonstrates the possibility that tyrants will retire from civil government, – when ordered to do so by the judges of the nation?
It's late, and perhaps I am a little slow within the neural wetware,… but I am not getting any hits on the database within my memory…
[post=”3068″][/post]Thanks, man.
My unmatched brilliance is only surpassed by my great modesty. Stated differently, “Bing's unmatched brilliance is only surpassed by Bing's great modesty.”
Bing
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Good riddance to AndyK. Pfft. 😮
I once thought having him here would be good, but only if he was genuinely interested in sharing and debating in good faith. And as we all saw, AndyK ambitions to rise within the IRS, have clearly clouded his moral and legal judgement to the point that he was in denial about essential Truths as expressed in the USA Constituion and the Declaration of Independence.
I would have canned Andy's FAM Guardian account months ago, after it became clear he was not going to honor his word, and answer the Trade or Business Scam Questions.
AndyK's posts reveal that he was not interested in debating any of us, but was here to sap our collective mental energy and gather INTEL. AndyK used the same style and method of debate that he has been using in Q-Loser Land Forum the past few years, in which he simply refused to admit the facts contained in standing US Supreme Court decisions.
It is laughable that AndyK, and the other IRS drones, can call us childish names and try and mock our intelligently and factually correct treatises, but yet, interestingly enough, they simply can not dissprove any of our educational research material, such as the opinions and political speech contained in the Trade and Business Scam pamphlet. And their continued failure to rebut the FAM Guardian educational material, is proof positive that the IRS employees are a bunch of liars and are of questionable character.
Bing
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Anti-Predator, you, and all other NEWBIES in the Forum need to know that AndyK is a self-proclaimed IRS employee. Unlike the other IRS undercover agents in this Forum, AndyK arrived here after already having publicly admitted to me several years ago, over at the IRS funded Q-loser Forum, that he was an IRS employee.
AndyK rarely, if ever, concedes or admits any facts contrary to his IRS-brainwashed mind, like, for example, prior US Supreme Court decisions regarding the limited legal jurisdiction of the US Government to legislate inside the several Union states.
AndyK's assigned task and his presence in these Forums, is to monitor our exchanges and to take detailed notes, which he then shares and circulates via email, with certain of his superiors and co-workers prior to regular staff meetings at IRS HQ, where he presents his latest bit of INTEL and does brief presentations, followed by Q & A sessions. Ain't that right, AndyK? AndyK enjoys this FAM Guardian assignment because it has given him greater internal exposure to the IRS muckety-mucks.
So, keeping all this in mind, you and all other NEWBIES may want to give all of Andy's posts, the proper attention that they deserve. 😉
Bing
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AP, you are correct about “resident”. However, it is perfectly fine to assert that one is a “non-resident alien.”
View the term “non-resident” as an “anti”- resident, if you will.
Also, hypothetically speaking, a non-residnet alien of the federal United States never wants to assert on any government form, that you reside anywhere. Instead, assert you are domiciled in such-and-such a place.
Income tax codes such as the IRC are based upon one's domicile. And selecting one's domicile is completely voluntary. Ergo, income taxes in the USA are likewise voluntary.
Game. Set. Match. 🙂
Bing
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TO ALL NEWBIES:
Both before and after the corrupt DOJ and its counterpart, the even more corrupt and lying IRS, unjustifiably attacked CH, the Fam Guardian Forums were infiltrated by under-cover IRS agents, many of whom operate behind proxy servers.
Anyway, much like Sonik Speed, my radar was and remains primed to identify persons who most likely might be IRS undercover agents posing as “regular Joe's” in these Forums. Some have chosen as their cyber names, seemingly innocent names that have their origins in the Bible. Lambchop = is Lamb of God = lamb, a docile, harmless animal — which is EXACTLY the type of non-threatening image an IRS undercover Agent would want to project. We also have in our midst, an “Apostle” = Disciple of Christ. We also have YawehLight = Yaweh/God. You get the idea. Simply review the Members listing for more info and just be prudent about who you choose to trust.
Now, Lambchop, er, I meant, Lambskin, appeared on this Forum in 2005, and in his very first ever post, he proceeded to invite ALL OF US, even though we were complete strangers, to what he labeled a “Freedom Convention”.
So, sans any kind of introduction, he wrote a very tortured, and purposefully obtusely written initial post, and he extended an invitation to all of us, to fly to Chi-Town, a/k/a the Windy City, Home of the Cubs and Bears, and attend his so-called Freedom Convention.
And then, get this, he also reminded everyone to “bring your business cards”.
Now, one of my many talents is that I pride myself in being exceptionally well qualified when it comes to applying discerning judgement to identify persons who may not be telling the Truth. Using my training and skills, I identified a plethora of notable “tells” in Lambskins posts, especially his initial post.
So, I authored a reply post in which I shared with everyone, some of the reasons why I thought that Lambchop was present in the Fam Guardian Forum under false pretenses.
I mean, we are all adults here, so who ever heard of a Conference Organizer reminding prospective attendees to “bring your business cards”??? I mean, the stupidity of such a reminder had I-R-S paw prints all over it. Only the IRS would be soooo stupid as to write something so assinine as that. This is what I call an intentional distractor, crafted to fool the reader into believing that the author of the invite, in this case, the IRS masking as Lamby was simply a “regular guy.”
In any case, for the benefit of the Fam Guardian Members, especially one of our most learned Authors, and in a genuine effort to alert everyone about “zips in the wire”, I deconstructed Lamby's posts and identified certain internal contradictions and the like and placed my thoughts in a series of posts so everyone could read what I was thinking and be forewarned.
Now, to be fair, I repeatedly asked direct questions to Lamby to share with us the nature of his “Freedom Conference”, and, interestingly enough, Lambchop never answered any of my easy questions even after he offered to share with all of us, the results of his Conference, in which he said that exactly 50 people attended.
You NEWBIES can and SHOULD read all of these opinions at http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=495
Bottom line, I can hardly be blamed for outing Lambchop, given the fact that he posted so obtusely and still, to this day, has refused to share with the Fourm, what topics were discussed at his “Conference”, who the Speakers were, etc., etc.
And, Sonik has been ever vigillent and has tried repeatedly to warn all Forum NEWBIES that there potentially are IRS moles and spies in our midst.
Finally, make no, mistake, in the Fam Guardian Forums we have collectively, some of the brightest minds in the Tax Honesty Movement. I know this. Many others know this. And rest assured, the IRS senior Managers know this too. We are an extremely effective tool that counter-balances the corrupt IRS's propaganda War Machine. And this is a key reason why the IRS has unlawfully tried to violate the First Amendment Rights of C.H.
Stated differently, this here is the BIG LEAGUES. Few of us are present merely to waste time and play. We are trying to share our personal opinions and political speech and beliefs, and to educate folks about their personal Liberty and Freedoms.
Lambchop's main problem was that his actions were incongruent from his posts, and he offered no reasonable explanation why that was so. Thus, he was tarred with the label of being a fraud and an IRS undercover agent.
We stand for Truth, Justice, Liberty, and Sovereignty and we oppose the illegal activities of the IRS and DOJ.
Grace and Peace,
Bing
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And I am still waiting for the IRS to cite me the positive law codified in the Statutes at Large and also published in the Federal Register, which imposes a lawful liability upon me, and which requires American Citizens/state nationals, who are not employed by the U.S. Government, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the foregoing, to pay income taxes to the IRS.
In other words, I am still waiting for the IRS to show me the enacted positive law that imposes a legal liability upon me, to pay income taxes to the IRS.
Seems like a pretty simple question to answer, if only such an enacted positive law actually existed, which we all know it doesn't, hence the IRS's obvious refusal and inability to answer my simple question.
Still waiting. . . . 😆
Bing
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Anti-Predator, welcome to what is arguably the single best cyber Forum in the world devoted to learning how to secure one's personal liberty and freedom from the tyranny that is the US Government.
We, those of us in this cyber Forum Love the American Republic.
By contrast, you may want to visit http://www.quatloos.com, which is secretly funded by the IRS and the IRS pays some of their employees to spend all day posting in the quatloos Forums. One thing will become very clear, the IRS folks who post at http://www.quatloos.comhate America and simply loathe the USA Constitution. Read some of their posts for instant proof, in which the posters lie repeatedly, and rely heavily on Tax Court rulings and lower federal court rulings, all the while running away from standing US Supreme Court decisions.
Compare our posts, where we will often support our assertions with facts and US Supreme Court opinions, versus the childish name calling and theatrics that the IRS paid shills at Quatloos use with great frequency.
Glad to have you on board.
Bing
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I only wish to add that in that same case, VanHorn's Lessee, the U.S. Supreme Court also said,
…I take it to be a clear position; that if a legislative act oppugns a constitutional principle, the former must give way, and be rejected on the score of repugnance. I hold it to be a position equally clear and found, that, in such case, it will be the duty of the Court to adhere to the Constitution, and to declare the act null and void. The Constitution is the basis of legislative authority; it lies at the foundation of all law, and is a rule and commission by which both Legislators and Judges are to proceed…
Powerful and profound words, indeed.
Bing
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LOL 😆
Hey, I was trying to be honest with the guy.
At least RC was honest and admitted up front that he was not expecting us to spoon feed him.
These guys breeze in here and think we are going to spoon feed them with easy answers, so, if the dude is serious, he will follow my suggestion, and begin the transformation from being a slave, to being a free man, like me.
Bing
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No, I was not thinking of Bob Schulz when I wrote that. I was, however, thinking of Larken Rose, Dr. Clayton, and Irwin Schiff.
I have read through nearly all of the case material in the most recent Schiff case, and Irwin makes a number of sloppy, incorrect legal arguments, all of which were preventable. Among other things, I seem to recall that he referred to the IRC as “law”.
Also, I cann't ever recall Irwin asserting the fact that he was a “non-resident alien”, but perhaps he made the argument and I missed it. Nor do I recall reading any Motions by Irwin in which he requested the Court to Judicially Notice Certain facts.
Yes, I think I was at that same meeting when Bob Schulz made the statement which you mentioned above, Sonik. I can not recall the details of that so I can not shed any light on your comments. But I do seem to recall being a bit startled and dismayed at hearing what he said.
Bob's mistake, or one of them anyway, is that he sometimes overly complicates things when dealing with the media or speaking in public, and he could do a better job at triangualtion, whereby, he does not make the issue WTP vs. the IRS, but instead, reframe the issues and position himself strategically so that it is the U.S. Supreme Court versus the IRS and corrupt DOJ.
So, if the IRS does or says A), simply reply by boxing them in and asserting that the IRS's position is contrary to such-and-such U.S. Supreme Court case, and then quote from the case and have copies of the U.S. Supreme Court case, already highlighted, to give to the reporter or journalist. Make it very easy for them to prove your facts. And let the reporter draw their own conclusions without the “spin”.
Indeed, if Bob had a Chief of Staff, it would be the Chief's job to make certain that when the WTP leadership is in the midst of journalists and broadcast Media, that they are fully debriefed and prepared to stay on message, and they know how to cite standing US Supreme Court cases to prove WTP's position. See, by following this tactic, WTP forms a direct alliance with the U.S. Supreme Court and makes it exceedingly difficult for the liars at the IRS, to attack WTP directly because WTP would be strategically deploying, via sound bites, facts contained in prior US Supreme Court decisions. Thus, Bob and WTP would rely upon prior US Supreme Court decisions to cover WTPs right and left flanks, as well as their strategic flank.
Bob should have by now, several short, concise speeches dealing with personal liberty and freedom, that heavily rely upon and quote from prior US Supreme Court decisions. And if he speaks in Ohio, he should have cites from the Ohio Supreme Court. If he speaks in California, same thing. He should be citing the state Supreme Courts where he is speaking. I have never heard Bob cite a state Supreme Court case yet. Again, if he had a Chief of Staff, it would be the Chief's job to locate the state Supreme Court cases in advance of Bob's speaking engagements. And then tie those specific state Supreme Court cases to U.S. Supreme Court cases. Not too difficult to do, but it takes alot of advance prep work.
So, if the IRS attacked WTP's positions, they in effect would be attacking the U.S. Supreme Court and the respective state Supreme Court, something we all know the IRS is extremely reluctant to do openly. Thus, we curtail the IRS's propaganda machine and restrict their degrees of freedom to effectively and publicly counter WTP's public positions.
In my view, WTP has done an extremely poor job outflanking the IRS. I grade them a D, maybe a D+ at best.
With all due respect, the Average Joe could care less what Bob Schulz says. But they are far more likely to pay attention if you tell them that the US Supreme Court ruled such-and-such, and that that ruling contradicts what the IRS says about a, b, c, d, etc.
One of the saddest things about observing the tax Honesty Movement from a distance, is that when certain of those in the vanguard get their few chances to interact with the print or broadcast Media, most go off point and neglect to frame the argument and WTP's positions, within the context of prior US Supreme Court decisions. Now, had they done that, then it is far more likely that any resulting story would get more play in the Media.
The mantra should have been, the IRS, when they say such and such, they are violating prior U.S. Supreme Court decisions such and such, wherein the Court said this, and that etc. etc.
Ahhh well, live and learn, I guess.
A more glaring error, though, is that Bob Schulz, Joe Banister, and the lead plaintiffs in the Original Complaint, identified themselves as being “U.S. citizens”, without clarifying whether they meant “US citizen” under the Constitution or “US citizen” under 8 USC 1408 and other federal statutes. Thus leaving open the chance for the DOJ and Court to presume they were federal “U.S. citizens”. Here too, this mistake should never have happened, even though it was supposedly corrected in WTP's Amended Complaint.
In any case, Mark Lane NEVER should have made such a basic error as misidentifying in the Original Complaint, the Citizenship status of the lead plaintiffs in what became a first impression case.
But in my view, Lane's biggest mistake is that so far as I know, he never filed a Motion under Rule 201, of the Federal Rules of Evidence, requesting the lower D.C. Court to Judicially Notice Specific Facts.
Parties to a lawsuit are allowed to request the Court to Judicially Notice Certain facts, and when the Court does so, the Court is REQUIRED to incorporate each of the judicially noticed facts into the Jury Instructions and inform the Jury that each of the Judicially Noticed Facts are conclusive. This is legal strategy in action, folks. But the best part is that the Judge essentially has no discretion and must judically notice certain facts, if so requested.
That was a strategic blunder of epic proportion by Lane & Company, because Lane & Co. missed their single best opportunity to frame the legal landscape and to get certain facts admitted into evidence. Sorry Mark, there simply was no excuse for dropping the ball on that one. None.
Here is what Rule 201 states:
Rule 201. Judicial Notice of Adjudicative Facts
a. Scope of rule.
This rule governs only judicial notice of adjudicative facts.
(:cool: Kinds of facts.
A judicially noticed fact must be one not subject to reasonable dispute in that it is either (1) generally known within the territorial jurisdiction of the trial court or (2) capable of accurate and ready determination by resort to sources whose accuracy cannot reasonably be questioned.
c. When discretionary.
A court may take judicial notice, whether requested or not.
d. When mandatory.
A court shall take judicial notice if requested by a party and supplied with the necessary information.
(e) Opportunity to be heard.
A party is entitled upon timely request to an opportunity to be heard as to the propriety of taking judicial notice and the tenor of the matter noticed. In the absence of prior notification, the request may be made after judicial notice has been taken.
(f) Time of taking notice.
Judicial notice may be taken at any stage of the proceeding.
(g) Instructing jury.
In a civil action or proceeding, the court shall instruct the jury to accept as conclusive any fact judicially noticed. In a criminal case, the court shall instruct the jury that it may, but is not required to, accept as conclusive any fact judicially noticed.
Also, consistent 240 U.S. 1 (the Brushaber case), I would have expected that the named plaintiffs in the WTP lawsuit would be only identified as a Citizen of the New York Republic, Citizen of the Texas republic, etc., etc. But, strangely enough, Mr. Lane intentionally chose to not identify the several Union states as “republics”. Not sure why.
Hey, we are only human and we all make mistakes. I understand that. However, because of the nature of the fight that we are in, against the corrupt IRS and very corrupt U.S. Government, the guys at the forefront of the Tax Honesty Movement carry a far greater burden to make certain that when they advance a legal argument, that they are factually correct and that there are no sloppy, preventable mistakes in their pleadings.
Bing
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Gosh, Dougie, sorry to hear about that.
Six weeks have gone by and some of us are wondering what path you chose? Any updates on your plight?
I am not a lawyer and this post is not legal advice.
Perhaps you should study the free educational materials at http://www.famguardian and http://www.sedm.org. That is what I would do. Start there. Get educated.
Know this, if you work in the private sector, then your firm IS NOT an “employer” as per the IRC, so stop referring to them as your “employer”. Imprecise language will kill you very quickly. It is more accurate to use the phrase “private sector, non-governmental employer”.
If you are a nontaxpayer and a non-resident alien, then you should file W-8BEN with your private sector firm. Dougie, are you a non-resident alien?
Bing
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RC1, glad to have you on board.
I suggest that you read Chapters 3, 4, 5,and 6 of The Great IRS Hoax book.
Then study the treatise on the “Trade or Business Scam”.
Next, read the treatises dealing with “Nonresident aliens” and “Why You are NOT a U.S. citizen but instead are a state National”.
Then read the pamphlet “Withholding Options For Private Employers” this is 300+ pages.
Go to sedm.org and work your way through the “forms” index and read their treatise at Liberty University dealing with Citizenship. Very powerful.
Do all of that, and come back in February 2007 for your next reading assignments. 😎
Welcome home.
Bing
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Clayton is yet one more victim of the cult of personality that was Larken Rose.
Clayton should have known better.
I have less and less sympathy for those in the Tax Honesty Movement who repeatedly make fundamental, preventable errors of judgement and who intentionally have chosen, for whatever reason, to not avail themselves of the knowledge and resources of http://www.famguardian.org and http://www.sedm.org.
A considerable effort goes into making sure that the educational materials and treatises on these websites are accurate and legally correct from every angle, and if people simply neglect to take advantage of the info, then they have no one to blame but themselves.
Interestingly enough, even today, Larken Rose simply refuses to provide a url link from his website to Famguardian and sedm, so what does that tell you? The two best websites in the world for liberty, sovereignty, and freedom, are right here, and Larken STILL does not link to them??? That was and is very puzzling indeed.
Yeah, I once thought that the 861 thesis was extremely powerful, but heck, that was waaaay back in 2000 and 2001 or so, when I did not know any better. But in this business, one hopes to learn new info, grow, and learn from mistakes of the past. Clayton, much like his felon-of-a-sidekick Larken Rose, apparently never moved off of his 861 perch. And whose fault is that?
I mean, one should not expect to go into an Article IV federal court, and use as your foundation argument, the federal government's own codes, and then expect to not be convicted. Doing so is supremely fatuous. And that was exactly what the always stubborn, and sometimes arrogant Larken, did.
Beyond all of that, Larken to this day, still does not grasp the fact that under the IRC and especially section 861, “domestic income” means income from the “federal zone”. And true to form, he still remains ignorant about the true defintion of the term “United States” and “U.S. citizen” within the context of section 861.
It is a very high price to pay, but the only good thing about putting Larken in federal prison, is that he is not able to spread his misinformation and mislead other unsuspecting Americans into adopting his incorrect interpretation and application of IRC section 861.
Now, the flip side of all of the above, is that at bottom, despite their seeming inability to learn some basic essentials about taxation matters and statutory construction, among other subjects, neither Larken nor Clayton are genuine “criminals” or evil men, as so many men who are in federal prison, actually are. Thus, with respect to “justice”, neither man deserved to have lost his freedom, simply beause they were too stupid and too stubborn to learn the Truth.
I am sure Rose & Clayton are “good people”, albeit, woefully misinformed on many subjects, but nevertheless, they are good people, and if there were justice in the federal courts and the jurors were not so blindly stupid, neither Rose nor Clayton would have been convicted.
When a corrupt federal government imprisons American Citizens unjustly under color of law, this is a clear indication that the US Government is the enemy of the People.
Bing
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The manner in which the US Government mistreats and disrespects active duty American Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors, via incredibly shabby base housing and very low pay for extremely demanding and dangerous work, goes far beyond the pale and is a serious cause for concern. It makes one wonder why in the world one would volunteer and enlist at all.
Poor and shabby housing for military familes has been a constant complaint for decades, and yet Congress does nothing and complains about their lack of funds.
It is not about funds, it is about having the correct priorities. every year Congress can spend tens of billions for exotic weapons systems that will not be deployed for 10 or 15 years, and yet, they are unwilling to spend $5 billion to upgrade base housing for military families. Simply amazing.
Sonik, I will disagree with you, I think the FDNY and the police who lost their lives on 9/11 while trying to save others, are genuine heros. Now, the office victims who perished, ARE NOT heros and to suggest as much, as the biased media is wont to do, dishonors the memory of the fallen.
Let us remember though, that if the US Government had not attacked America on Sept 11, 2001 then there would be no 9/11 heros.
I watched a video the other day and it stated that the US Govt spent $40 million investigating that liar, President Clinton, and yet only spent $600,000 investigating the cause of the 9/11 so-called “terrorist attacks”.
So, what does that tell you?
Bing
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I am proud to say that I have been a student of Dr. Rivera's for at least 5 years now. He was the first one to really teach me about the nature of jurisdiction.
The “What Happaned(sic) To Justice” book and companion CD are powerful and compelling. The evidence contained in the CD is a tour de force that is non-pareil.
The co-authors prove with US Government evidence/documents, that our beloved federal government was corrupted from its inception.
My theory is that British agents and the agents for the Rothchild's were working behind the scenes and pulling the strings. Yes, sad to say, our Republic was corrupted from without by foreign agents/lobbyists as far back as the 1780s.
Senator Aldrich, of Rhode Island, who orchestrated the birth of the Federal Reserve Act, was, back in the early part of the 20th century, likewise a man who was both a liar and a thief and he too was corrupted by foreign agents/influences.
In more modern times, according to the Wall Street Jopurnel, we had President Clinton selling White House over night stays in the Lincoln bedroom in exchange for $$$$. Clinton also used Chinese nationals to raise money whose origins were rooted in the Chinese Communist Party, and in exchange, the Clinton Administration gave the export permission for highly sensitive military equiptment made by Loral Corp. that enables Chinese missles to be more accurate. Thanks alot Bill. 😮
So, what this all means is that the essence of politics on the federal level was ALWAYS rooted in deception and corruption.
Bing