rattler14
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Lambskin,
Why do you fight so hard to win our trust. We are just but a measily forum, with only a handful of regulars. You've already apparently had much more success with your 50 member freedom conference. Why not use your time more constructively and continually push them? It seems that would be a far better use for your time than remaining here and trying to convince us of your good intentions.
2nd. This is the famguardian forum. Frankly, I'd rather discuss issues to crique the work of the many authors and works found on THIS site. I'm sure many of the other works out there are all fine and dandy, though some of them are probably filled with disinfo.
I'm not looking for a 3 page answer either (time is precious)
- Dr. Hermann wrote on Jan 31 2006, 01:30 PM:Thank you. Sound reasoning.[post=”2195″][/post]
In case you missed it.
- AmariYah wrote on Jan 28 2006, 06:29 PM:Wow! Some of you guys seem awfully quick to judge and suspect Apostle and Lambskin??? Let me first clarify that I am not defending them because I don't know any more about them than I know about any of the reat of you, However from what I have read here and on a couple of other threads I don't get any clear indications that that guys are either IRS moles or lying fraud's. Perhaps I am just naive or too forgiving but I think that maybe we should lighten up… especially in this thread? Let me see if I can bring it back on topic…[post=”2165″][/post]
AmariYah,
This is not a game. If we were debating about who was going to win the super bowl or what the best fishing spots in the world are, I bet people would be far more lenient and far less suspicious. But the stakes here are much higher.
Frankly, I see some nice parallels to what occurs in the 9-11 movement
http://www.iamthewitness.com/by_Hufschmid11Oct2005.htm
In particularly, Lambskin and Apostle tried to strike up the pseudo debate, as well as just happening to appear in packs. They almost seem genuine, but they are merely trying to build credibility. I have to assume by you apologizing for their obvious trip ups, that you could just be one of them under a different name, trying to distract, etc.
Regardless, this thread has totally been hijacked anyway.
And do not think that this means people like myself are angry at Lambskin and Apostle if it's what they truly are doing. In a sense, they are either a) just doing their job or 😎 just appeasing their 'god'. And if they are not, they can still prove themselves… but they have quite the hole to dig themselves out of… it might be easier to just create new accounts and start over.
Doom and Chaos
-Rattler14
Despite Apostle and Lambskin APPEARING to be very knowledgeable about the bible, I believe them to be nothing more than deceivers.
Note how Apostle, when Bing called him out, immediately when to Matthew 5 with the following.
Matt 5: 11-12 (KJV)
Quote:11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
This is exactly the kind of scripture twisting I would expect from a deceiver. While at face value, it would appear that Apostle is correct, his use of these verses in reply to Sonik exhibits a few logical fallacies.
First, merely having people revile you do not instantly imply that you were right in the first place. The effect does not imply a particular cause.
http://www.bcskeptics.info/resources/criti…cf.posthoc.html
For instance, people could revile me for being a drunk driver through a neighborhood of children.
The sermon on the mound (Matthew Chapters 5-7) was one complete message/sermon. Since you seem so fond of it, let us also look at the end when Jesus warns us of false prophets.
Quote:Matthew 7:15-1715Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
I guess Lambskin was being a little tongue in cheek here… After all, Lambskin would essentially be “sheep's clothing”, but inside we know he is really a ravening wolf.
And don't try to worm your way out of this one, you've been exposed
http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=590
Frankly, I was going to review some of your earlier posts to see if Bing was correct or not, and he was right on the money. Besides, you've been trying to send people all over the internet. And your freedom conference posts were quite amusing…
Now, you're just trying to spam the forum all over the place to try and throw people off. I will admit, individually your posts look really authentic. But that's the whole problem with false prophets, they are 95% authentic, but just to get you to let your guard down. It's the ole dangle the keys in front of ya, then dagger to the back 🙂
good catch guys
- Toto75 wrote on Jan 26 2006, 05:21 PM:Increased hand movements to the face? I'm sorry… but you seriously need to get a life.[post=”2147″][/post]
Agreed!!!
Even if your conclusions are right (and i'm not saying yes or no to any of them), your reasons for coming to said conclusion are so ludicrous that you'd have to essentially prove it before anyone would believe you.
Bing,
Well, it's kinda like the NSA spying on americans to catch the terrorists. They are working under the assumption that we are all terrorists (and, in a way, we are a threat, but only to those in power who are abusing the people that put them there).
Personally, I find these tactics just sad. It must warm their hearts to go home, knowing that they have sold their souls for a paycheck from the very beast which will enslave them as soon as they have outlived their usefulness.
Thanks for the heads up, and thank you Family Guardians, for all that you've done
- Apostle wrote on Jan 21 2006, 04:37 AM:Sonik,
First I would apologize for not getting back sooner. I can indeed answer your questions. I will keep them as simple as I can adding only a couple of scriptures for each answer and then you can search out the rest. Before I begin I need to tell you something of the utmost importance and I can only pray that you will take heed.
About six years ago I too had the same questions as you. Even though I had grown up in the church there were nagging questions that I could not get answered by the church or anyone in them. The answer always seemed to boil down to “I don't know” or “we just have to take some things on faith” because most of the time the answers didn't make sense. After trying many different denominations and churches my answers just didn't come. Then about a year before 911 happened I was sitting at my computer and I was praying and telling Father that I would do anything to have my questions answered. Even if it meant walking out the front door of my house with nothing more than the clothing on my back to follow him. I meant it. I still do.
Then it happened. While I was praying I began to have a vision. What I saw changed my life forever. I saw the statue of liberty standing alone. Behind her I saw pillars of smoke as large as whole cities. Children were crying in the streets and millions of people had died. I could feel the level of despair and hopelessness in the country and knew that we had been invaded and were occupied by a foreign army. As I was having this vision I heard a voice that said because of the wickedness of this country the hand of our enemies had been turned against us and the Eternal Father was giving me orders to “prepare” for a later date because he had a special work for me waging war against the whore and against the beast. As a sign of what he had shown me I was told to go to the local K-mart and get an atlas and go to the page of washington D.C. which I did. When I returned to the house I opened the atlas to that page and began to trace shapes and images on the page as I was directed by the one and only creator of all things. I was stunned. I can only tell you that my life has changed and will never be the same. And it is since that time that Father through his Spirit has been showing me the truth and the things to come. Now for the urgent part.
Since that time almost six years ago I have been telling people that the United States and the Nation today known as Isreal ( who are not Israel but Esau) will attack Iran and very shortly thereafter the United States economy will crash and then China and Russia will attack and invade the United States. For about a year now I have been telling people where I work the exact timetable for the things that are happening and there are many believers. Now I am telling you.
The United States and the nation of Esau (called Israel) will attack Iran around the end of March. Within six months the United States economy will crash. China will sell off all the debt of the United States which will cause a run on the dollar and hyper inflation much as Russia saw a few years ago. The only difference between us and them is nobody invaded them. We will not be so lucky. Russia, China, North Korea and Cuba will gather together and invade the United States.
That time has come. I have been preparing for six years now and only by the grace of my Father will the preparations be completed. As to what I have told you I wrote down the exact things that Father showed me and the things he said to me. The drawings on the map of Washington D.C. I have scanned into my computer and can send to you. My request to you and to anyone else who reads this is to please for your own sakes start putting back food and the things you will need to survive after the economy has crashed. It will be a terrible time and will be directed by the hand of God because of the pride and wickedness of this country.
For about a year both my wife and myself were having visions of things to come. Things like where we would be in the future. (We are here now) and what we would be doing when the time came. As soon as we arrived at the place where Father showed my wife where we would be when the time came to fulfill the things we had seen, the visions stopped but the revelations of the things in his word has continued for almost six years. As to your questions I can answer them but I must take them one at a time because Satan has so twisted what the truth is that you must seek after God to find him. He will show himself to you no other way.
Regarding some of the things you guys have posted there are many false things that spring from the mouth of the whore and her harlot daughters the denominations. Things that most take for the truth but are nothing but lies. Israel is a people (Jacob). Esau is a people (Esau, Edom, Israel the nation today). Ishmael is a people (the Arab nations). Father made these people promises throughout his word that are being fulfilled today. The word of God (the Bible has no mistakes in it) it is the blindness of the people and the lies of the whore who make it appear there are contridictions but when you see the truth you begin to see that the word goes even deeper than we can understand or comprehend. It loudly proclaims the Glory of God.
I will begin answering your question over the next few days. I cannot give you an exact timetable because time grows short and I always, everyday, put all of my energy into doing what Father has shown me to do. Everything else is second.
Please be patient and listen with your heart. Ask Father to show you if you really want to see. I will telll you the things he has shown me but understand this. You will not see unless he want you to see. I can talk until I'm blue in face and you still will not see. that the prophesy of Isaiah would be fulfilled in that having eyes they could not see nor having ears they could not hear.
I will pray for you. But for today I am out of time.
Apostle of Yahweh
[post=”2105″][/post]While I obviously don't know you well enough to say whether or not your claims were actually made 6 years ago, I must say there is a lot of truth with the Iran, Euro, dollar situation and the timetable does appear to be for March of this year.
Bottom line people, if we (the sorry ole U.S.A.) does get suckered into fighting Iran due to another 9/11 false flag attack, you can be darn sure that we are going to see a depression on par or worse than the one in the last 1920s. We are certainly being propped up my China, and when they stop playing the game, we are going to fall so hard I can't bare to think about it.
If you're not protecting your own arse right now by having some of the basics around you, well, I pray for your safety. Obviously, we're all going to die someday, but if I had a choice of buying a used car or buying a water filtration system, a stockpile of freeze dried food, and some other basics… well, I know what I'd be buying right about now!
If you haven't checked out the lastest copy of Professor Jones article… you're missing out
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
It's a far better version, and it's almost completely bullet proof (there are a few logical fallicies, but not many).
Here is an example of the disinformation that exists from so called “experts”
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/expert…eagar_0112.html
Unfortunately, this guy is in my department. I tried reaching out to him… but just like tax lawyers, they don't want to know the truth, and will deny it until their death bed in order to keep their world view intact.
The biggest opponent in this movement, is the indifference of “good” men and women.
Unfortunately, the only ones I really know in this list are Larken, Dick, and Meredith. Even worse, these are only the big names… I hate to think how many others are also in jail that get no letters at all.
You're lucky.
They keep sending mine back with a stupid form letter claiming “national” means born in the somoa islands, etc. They even cashed my check! I assume it's better to call them and get a manager on the line, but as long as there are idiots running the show, they'll keep sending mine back without the proper amendments.
grrrr
- Bing wrote on Jan 4 2006, 07:50 AM:rattler, you are mistaken.? It was not the judge that you heard on the mp3, it was the Assistant US Attorney, Martin Shoemaker.? The judge was not present during the deposition of Hansen.[post=”2037″][/post]
Apologies. I thought this was actually in front of a judge… it makes me feel a little better, because if a judge started questioning me with that kind of attitude, I'd lose the 0 faith I have left in the system 🙂
I bet this guy feels really good about himself about now.
- Bing wrote on Jan 4 2006, 08:13 AM:I just read section 352, and did not see where it supposedly asserted what you guys are assuming it asserts.
Did I miss something?
Bing
[post=”2039″][/post]I think it falls under “money laundering”. Again, like many things, it's so vague that I am willing to be that they merely make up laws and enforce under the umbrella of the patriot act as a whole.
I'll see if it's been codified into the USC and implementing regs…
BOBT12
I don't personally know if this is the case nationwide, or if this is just one dealer… but I have a funny feeling that this person did not come across the ONLY coin dealer enforcing this “law”
Sonik,
For instance, let's use the definitions in Black's Law – First Edition
Murder
In criminal law. The willful killing of any subject whatever, with malice aforethought, whether the person slain shall be an Englishman or a foreigner.
Kill
To deprive of life; to destroy the life of an animal. The word “homocide” expresses the killing of a human being.
Hope this helps
