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  • BOBT12

    Member
    September 13, 2005 at 1:23 am in reply to: Dept. of Justice will NOT pursue..
    Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 12 2005, 03:52 PM:
    Ok great I understand now.

    But I am still requesting answers from Ichesson, Fiddo, BOBT whom I still have yet to hear. Suddenly they have disappeared!? :huh:

    I would definitely love to hear ESPECIALLY from Ichesson who actually start this post that has deception in the post.

    Please respond…

    Sonik Speed

    [post=”1714″][/post]

    Dear Sonik Speed,

    I am not avoiding you, I just felt that I stated my position in my posts. Sonik, I respect you a great deal, and I did not want to encourage a great contest over what I perceived to be a minor issue.

    Also, I think that rattle14 clearly states the case in his posts, which, for the most part, I agree with. Mainly, while I may have certain reservations with Hendrickson's work, I think that he is helping to raise awareness of the IRS fraud. I think that this is good. In addition, I believe that we should continue to discuss the issue, regardless of the correctness of Hendrickson's work.

    Yes, I have read Hendrickson's book, and I like much of what I have seen, I have presented my limited support and information in my post. Take it for what it is worth, nothing more.

    Finally, I am not here to defend Hendrickson's work. I do not feel that it is my obligation to prove, or disprove, what the DOJ/IRS will or will not do regarding Hendrickson, or his work.

    Of course I know that the IRS/DOJ attacks on Family Guardian, and his work, are spurious and a complete sham. I would like to see all of us spend more time raising issues regarding the incorrect action of the IRS, DOJ and other corrupt organs, in and out of govenment, that are attacking the innocent.

    Peace be unto you.

  • BOBT12

    Member
    September 11, 2005 at 8:47 am in reply to: Dept. of Justice will NOT pursue..
    Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 10 2005, 06:59 PM:
    In reading these reply post, I feel that I am being misunderstood. I shall make the best attempt to clarify myself. I believe I was clear enough however.

    I am NOT ATTACKING Hendrickson Ad hominem. I am ATTACKING his claim that the DOJ does not think his material is wrong. I demand to see the ACTUAL writing!!! That is precisely my challenge.

    Merely posting Social Security checks does not mean JACKSQUAT. For instance, 99% of the author of Family Guardian has legal merits. However, the DOJ still is continuing to pursue, EVEN THOUGH NEARLY EVERYTHING is correct on this website!

    Answer accordingly,

    Sonik Speed

    [post=”1704″][/post]

    Emphasis added.

    This may provide you with the anwsers that you are seeking:

    Peter Hendrickson v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    http://losthorizons.com/tax/Dismissals.htm

    The DOJ Faces Reality, Even Though The IRS Won't:

    Both Cases Against Hendrickson Are Dismissed!

    http://losthorizons.com/tax/thedojfolds.htm

    Kindest regards to all.

    P.S. Sonik, I have recently used some of your Supreme Court cites regarding the right to travel, thank you.

  • BOBT12

    Member
    September 7, 2005 at 3:03 am in reply to: Dept. of Justice will NOT pursue..
    Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 6 2005, 06:28 PM:
    Paul Andrew Mitchell is credible. Rattler you said:

    Quote:
    I've glossed over Peter's work. And while I'm really glad he's helping to push the movement,

    Respectfully I dissent. He is doing more harm than good – much like idiots like Al Thompson.

    To Health,

    Sonik Speed

    [post=”1691″][/post]

    I must respectfully disagree, I think that rattler14 is going in the right direction. I have read Peter Hendrickson's book “Cracking the Code: The Fascinating Truth About Taxation in America” and it seems rather on point. While I have a few reservations, I do not think that Hendrickson is an idiot. And I like to see as many voices speaking against this current tax scheme as posible.

    By the way, Hendrickson has posted many refunds of people that he claims received them from the IRS. I have no reason to doubt this claim. Until someone can show them to be a fraud, I see no reason to SHUT OUR MOUTHS on the issue.

    For more information:

    Quote:
    This forum concerns itself with the research of Pete Hendrickson in his book entitled “Cracking the Code”, available on the Lost Horizon website at:

    http://losthorizons.com/

    His several years of research into the tax code as lucidly explained in his book reveal that:

    1. Subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code is an indirect excise tax upon privileges.

    2. The “privilege” is a “trade or business”, which is defined in 26 U.S.C. 7701(a)(26) as “the functions of a public office”.

    3. Those who are not engaged in a “trade or business” and who have no income from the District of Columbia coming under 26 USC 871(a) can have no “gross income” or “taxable income”.

    4. Because Subtitle A describes an excise tax on privileges, and holding a “public office” is an avoidable activity, then all taxes based upon the activity are avoidable.

    5. The government and the IRS have done their best over the years to disguise the true nature of Subtitle A of the I.R.C. as an indirect excise tax using “words of art” and the word “includes”.

    6. The rules of statutory construction clearly reveal that words defined in law replace the ordinary meanings of words with a specialized meaning. Since “trade or business” is defined as “the functions of a public office” and not expanded elsewhere in the code to add any other thing, then it is limited to this activity ONLY.

    7. Those who are not engaged in a “trade or business” and who are being compelled by their private employer to deduct and withhold can, according to Pete, file a 1040 return with a zero amount for earnings, attach amended W-2 and 1099 forms, and many have gotten ALL withholding back, including Social Security, Medicare, FICA, etc.

    8. Those who intend to use Pete's approach should be very familiar with the “includes” argument, because it is the only defense the government has been able to come up with so far to ward off his approach. It is also a WEAK defense that is easily defeated.

    Some places on Family Guardian where you can find more information about this approach include:

    1. Article entitled “The 'trade or business' scam”:

    http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Arti…usinessScam.htm

    2. Great IRS Hoax, sections 5.6.13 through 5.6.13.11 entitled “The 'trade or business' scam”:

    http://famguardian.org/Publications/GreatI…reatIRSHoax.htm

    3. Great IRS Hoax, section 5.6.12 entitled “You don't have any taxable sources of income”:

    http://famguardian.org/Publications/GreatI…reatIRSHoax.htm

    4. Income Tax Freedom Forms and Instructions, Cites by Topic: “trade or business”: http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/CitesByT…eOrBusiness.htm

    5. IRS Deposition Questions Section 9: Ambiguity of law. Shows what “includes” really means:

    http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Forms/Di…ection%2009.htm

    We have purchased and read Pete's book, and we think it is terrific. For himself, Pete files a form 1040 with zero in order to get the refund. He attaches 4852's and amended 1099 forms to the return to zero out false income reports, because he rightly concludes that the only earnings that can be reported on a W-2 or a 1099 are income “effectively connected with a trade or business”. He has been doing this for 2001 through 2003 and each time, has gotten EVERYTHING back from the IRS, including Social Security, FITW, FICA, etc. This is a the best track record we have seen so far, so his techniques do deserve a hard look. He also has sample refund checks from the IRS posted on his website showing several people who have gotten refunds from using his techniques. We have also spoken with him on the phone about his techniques to learn more. Out of respect and fairness to Pete, we also wish to carefully emphasize the following aspects of his political approach, which we believe will keep the government off his back:

    1. He doesn't help people directly to prepare returns or stop withholding.

    2. His book doesn't describe how to prepare returns.

    3. He doesn't advocate the filing or nonfiling of returns.

    Instead, he simply posts a journal of his efforts on the web for all to read and emulate if they choose. Many people have emulated what he has done and gotten all their money back as well. This is exactly the same approach we take on this website. We post a journal of our efforts on this FREE SPEECH website at:

    http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Case…risH/Chrish.htm

    We believe Pete's techniques are good for the most part, but we have only one MAJOR problem with them which we would like to explain. On this website, we point out that the IRS Published Products Catalog, Document 7130, identifies the IRS form 1040 as being for use by “citizens” and “residents” of the “United States”. You can view this publication below for yourself:

    http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Forms/IRS/IRSDoc7130.pdf

    We already know based on research elsewhere on this website that people born in states of the Union are “nonresident aliens” and “nationals”, but not “citizens” or “residents”. See:

    1. You're not a “citizen” under the Internal Revenue Code: http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Citi…zenUnderIRC.htm

    2. You're not a “resident” under the Internal Revenue Code:

    http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Citi…ip/Resident.htm

    3. Why you are a “national” or a “state national” and not a “U.S. citizen”:

    http://famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt…hyANational.pdf

    Therefore, filing the 1040 form creates a false presumption that one maintains a domicile in the District of Columbia and is either an alien living in the District of Columbia or a “citizen” living abroad and coming under an income tax treaty with a foreign country. This could have the affect of subjecting them to the jurisdiction of the corrupted federal courts. We believe this is a BIG mistake. The only approach that will keep people out of this kind of trouble is to instead file the 1040NR form and fill it out the same way….

    http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh…&hl=hendrickson

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 25, 2005 at 3:27 am in reply to: Freedom convention

    We don't know who you are.

    We don't want to walk into a possible trap.

    We don't want to give you our e-mail information!

    Do as Bing says, write 150 post, and we will see. You “talk the talk”, however, you must “walk the walk”, no shortcuts.

    QUOTE Originally posted by Bing

    Quote:

    Lambchop, er, I mean, Lambskin, sir, what a wonderful idea!!!?

    By all accounts, your lead post is chock-ful of promising ideas and is darn near effusive to the point of being, well, how shall I say this, “straining” in your effort to “connect” with those of us in the Tax Honesty Movement.

    Your folksy approach and self-deprecating manner does not fool me.

    Tell me something, sir, can you give us one reason, just one reason, why any one of us on this Forum should trust you or anything that you post?

    C'mon, just give us one reason.

    My goodness, if I didn't know any better, I would suggest that there exists the real possibility that your appearence here on this Forum, and your apparent willingness to proffer an open invitation to do all of the yeo-mans legwork to organize a so-called “freedom conference”, is merely a ruse to try and gather intelligence about the posters on this hallowed Forum in particular, and the Tax Honesty Movement in general.

    I am reminded of the IRS undercover agent who met Larken Rose in a diner and, after “bonding” with Larken, got Larken to say certain things. Maybe you, Lambchop, can study the undercover craft from Larken's dining mate, eh?

    Further, and I freely concede I may be wrong here, but I surmise from the manner in which your lead post is worded, and certain “tells”, that there also exists the real distinct possibility that perhaps you are in fact working for the IRS in an undercover capacity and your post is part of a larger program to infiltrate the Tax Honesty Movement, and step one was to see if you could trick some of us into showing up on some unknown date, at some as yet unspecified local Chicago Hotel, to discuss the topics which, themselves, are also unknown and unspecified.

    Hmmmm.?

    Sniff, sniff.?

    Perhaps you could have fooled more of us had you actually did more up front planning and came to the table better prepared.

    Lambchop, as far as I am concerned, your lead post just does not cut it. Not with me it doesn't.

    I smell something very fishy about you, your appearence here, and your so-called invitation.

    Therefore, I am compelled to conclude that your invitation is nothing more than a trap and a ruse, to try and gather names and intelligence about those of us who labor silently behind the scenes and tirelessly work to educate American Citizens about the lying, corrupt nature of the IRS and how the IRS is defrauding and stealing money from patriotic, honest American Citizens.

    And if you doubt the IRS and the DOJ Tax Division is corrupt, study the US Government Report House 101-800, titled, “MISCONDUCT BY IRS SENIOR MANAGERS”, and you will see first hand that the US House of Representatives uncovered evidence of IRS attorneys and Senior Managers repeatedly lying under oath.

    My intuition tells me that after having struck out and being embarassed at trial in the bogus prosecution of Joe Banister, the IRS undercover drones are trying to cast a wider net and see if they can tag-n-bag others in the Tax Honesty Movement.

    Further, I believe that this undercover program is a continuation of the unlawful raid on Larken Rose's home; the summons issued to Bob Schulz and WTP, to turn over WTP records; the gestapo raid against Freedom Books and Irwin Schiff; the warrantless raid on Sherry Jackson's home; and, the harrassment and raid against John Kotmair and SAPF in Maryland, etc.

    You see, Lambchop, I see a distinct pattern here.

    And I connect the dots and see a mosaic. By watching and observing the IRS's actions out in the field, one can readily work backwords and distill their intentions and plans, and thus better predict the IRS's future tactics.

    Well, that approach DOES NOT apply to the IRS boon-doggle of a Information Systems upgrade working with the possibly criminal elements over at CSC Corp, which is currently being investigated for accounting and mail fraud of Enron-esque dimensions.

    It sure is funny that the IRS's lead PRIME Contractor for the BSM is CSC, whose Management Team may be indicted very shortly. Ahahahahahahah?

    Back on point.

    Now, since you have no credibility in this Forum, Lambchop, as they say in the spy biz, you have no bona fides. Thus, there is darn near nothing that you can say, do, or post in this Forum, that will convince me that your lead post was truthful, genuine, and sincere, and that you are NOT WORKING UNDERCOVER FOR the IRS.

    Lambchop, if you are not an IRS undercover agent, why don't you go visit the IRS sponsored/financed and IRS controlled website at http://www.quatloos.com, and author 150 anti-IRS posts and engage those IRS shills over there, in spirited debates about what you believe and what you insist you have learned about “freedom”. Then, after you have done that, then come back here and share with us what you have learned from arguing with the IRS employees who hide behind various screen names at quatloos.com.

    And then, after you do that, MAYBE we can talk about your so-called “Freedom Conference” in Chicago.

    Author #2, I want to suggest that you lock Lambchop's lead post so as to prevent him from deleting or modifying it. But if locking his lead post is not an option, I encourage everyone to print it out and see if Lambchop revises it in the future.

    Finally, Lambchop, good luck with your “Freedom Conference” and do be sure to report back to this Forum and let us all know how many business cards you and your fellow IRS undercover agents successfully “collected” in Chicago.

    Signed,

    BingEmphasis added.

    http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=495&hl=

    Sorry, if this is too difficult for you. Yet, we are more concerned about our peers, then we are about your vague conference idea.

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 24, 2005 at 10:09 pm in reply to: Applying for, renewing passport
    brazosdedios wrote on Aug 24 2005, 09:22 AM:
    My passport has expired and I am researching how to correctly apply for a new one as a national. My previous one has the ssn associated with it. Since, I need to reference the old one, they can easily get the ssn, is it worth the hassle of not putting it on the new app? Or I guess, it makes a better case now if I put none valid on the app and let them go find it if they want it?

    Stephen

    [post=”1660″][/post]

    Welcome to the Family Guardian.

    Here are a few ideas for you to review regarding your passport issue:

    Quote:
    Yes, I can recommend doing the passport app, it is not difficult at all. Since I already had one that was good for a number of years, I explained that there were errors on my original application that I had just come to realize had negative legal affects.

    I told the passport application lady this, and she asked what those errors were… I told her that the main errors were relating to my citizenship status, that I needed to correct my passport application to indicate that I was an American National, as I am not a “U.S. citizen”. I explained that on my previous application I had selected the “U.S. citizen” option re my citizenship because the correct option was not available and I did not realize the legal implications this carried.

    The passport lady told me that my passport would still read the same, and that there would be no difference in appearance on my new passport. I told here that I was aware of this fact, and explained once again that the purpose was to update the application, for legal reasons. She took that attitude that she did not want to process the application, but I pressed her, making it clear that I knew my rights and would not leave.

    So she gets on the phone with a superior (I suppose the Dept. of State) and explained the situation quite accurately (she was actually listening!). After explaining, she listened for a little bit, and was obviously being told to process the application.

    So she returned and stated that the passport would look the same as the last, did I still want to proceed? I said yes, I knew that, and still wanted to proceed.

    She then proceeded to do her duty without further objections, and less than two weeks later I received my new passport & my old passport marked cancelled.

    PS: The passport application did not bear an SSN anywhere… and not one remark was made by the passport lady regarding this…

    http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh…c=9&hl=passport

    Quote:
    Originally posted by weishaupt1776

    Well, a friend of mine who is going through the process and has corrected his status to that of a Dejure National of his state just called me.

    He got his own picture identification certified & apostilled by the SoS

    He then sent it to the State Dept for a Fed apostille to travel overseas

    They called him today & said a Fed Apostille was not necessary.

    He said he was concerned because he is not a U.S. citizen and can't get a passport.

    They said the State apostille is sufficient.

    He then asked if it will do in lieu of a passport & they said yes.

    They further complied with his request for a cover letter stating that his I.D. is sufficient in lieu of a passport to travel abroad.

    http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t…hlight=passport

    It appears that the U.S. passport will suffer from the same problem as discussed regarding ?HR 418- A National ID Bill Masquerading as Immigration Reform?:

    Quote:
    (CNN) — A controversy is brewing over a U.S. State Department decision to put identification chips inside all new passport covers, a program scheduled to start by late 2005.

    The passport chips differ from those now commonly used for building entry or identifying the family dog. Those chips only provide one piece of information — a unique identification number — when pinged by a radio receiver.

    The passport chips will hold much more data, from 64 kilobytes to eventually 514 kilobytes, as much as the first personal computers. They will hold the same information as a paper passport plus a digitized photo and face template for the still-unproven facial recognition software, which also is supposed to identify you from a distance, unnoticed.

    The fact that passport data can be read unencrypted, with no physical contact, from up to 30 feet away, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, upsets privacy advocates for two reasons.

    First, groups such as the ACLU note that information on your activities could be collected by government agencies (or commercial and marketing interests) without your knowledge…Second, many people are concerned that criminal or terrorist “data-skimmers” could set up chip readers to grab information from your passport and find out more about you, or “clone” your information and make fake passports, again without your knowledge.

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/01/06/passports/

    Other information:

    USA Passport, Does it prove American Citizenship?

    http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh…425&hl=passport

    SUPREME COURT ON TRAVEL:

    http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh…391&hl=passport

    “Voluntary” National ID Bill

    http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh…361&hl=passport

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 23, 2005 at 10:36 pm in reply to: 911 Truths-It was an inside job
    rattler14 wrote on Aug 23 2005, 01:18 PM:
    Fiddo wrote on Aug 23 2005, 12:30 PM:
    I agree 100% with you about the demolition, the buildings of such height could not have “collapsed” as they claim with some idiot pancake theory. There was the one high rise building in Europe somewhere that burned for like 3 days or something, built very much the same way as the towers and it was still standing!

    Also from internet footage of building 7, there was only a small fire and smoke seen on the one heavily fortified floor, the one that supposed to withstand high 150+ hurricane winds and be reinforced against earthquakes. Yet, these small “fires” make the whole building collapse after of course the owner of it was recorded as saying “pull it”, which for building demo is I believe the term they use to fire the explosives and bring the building down..

    I stopped believing government a long time ago… One lie after another and the people of the town no longer listened to the “boy who cried wolf”…

    blink.gif

    [post=”1653″][/post]

    You’re absolutely right Fiddo. In fact, a steel building in Madrid, Spain burned for 18 hours and left almost nothing… except for the steel girders.

    http://www.whatreall…/wtc1_core.html

    This is the Achilles Heel for the government. It’s nearly impossible to convince people about the income tax hoax, because most people think it should be that way (what can I say, I live in the socialist Massachusetts Republic… though it’s not a Republic by my definition).

    However, NOBODY will say “well, the government had to take those buildings down to justify us going to war in Iraq”.

    If someone uttered those words, he or she would either be laughed at or punched in the face.

    I hope those on this forum that support the income tax hoax movement will also get the truth out regarding 9/11. We might be able to expose all the government lies once this big one hits everyone.

    anyone else agree/disagree?

    [post=”1654″][/post]

    I Agree! David Ray Griffin?s books raises the issue of the buildings that strangely collapsed, and many, many other unanswered questions surrounding September 11, 2001:

    Quote:
    THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT: Omissions and Distortions and THE NEW PEARL HARBOR

    David Ray Griffin’s two books, seem to factually point out the strange circumstances surounding September 11, 2001. And Griffin makes a strong case linking many of these factual oddities to the Bush administration.

    Since the Bush administration currently has many wars in progress, Iraq and Afganistan are the most notable, with plans to possibly engage many other countries such as Iran, China, Syria, North Korea, and perhaps many more, isn’t it time that we each look at the causes which appearently put the nation on its present course?

    Emphasis added.

    http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh…st=0&#entry1620

    http://www.911blogger.com/2005/04/proper-r…in-madison.html

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 22, 2005 at 5:36 am in reply to: Freedom

    Dear Bing,

    Thank you for your informative posts.

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 20, 2005 at 12:21 am in reply to: Alternative Currencies

    Is China flexing its money muscle?

    Quote:
    flexing


    That sounds like flexing muscles; floating the Yaun or whatever. I imagine somebody told China her money was not good enough to buy Unocal. So China decided to show America what she could do to the Dollar in just twenty minutes. That is forboding and at the same time quite informative. In the sense that arrogance is exactly what we were examining on Quatloos. Fiat currency is only as good as the con in moving it.

    And there we find the motivation, justified by the truth or not, for hushing and discrediting people like you and me. Risk management can only go so far when the entire empire is built on counterfeiting and lies.

    […]I called my day-trader friend. It was about two weeks ago. But I was not after specifics. He said that China let the Yuan “float” for about twenty minutes. I am not certain what that means (debased it from the Dollar?) but it would have changed it by over 60% in a year's time if it were allowed to continue.

    He mentioned that somebody named Mahatma Guru (??) wrote a commentary about it on 123Gold about a week ago. I can call for more details and/or invite him to comment. He may not be on a computer until Monday.

    Regards,

    David Merrill.

    http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?p=35325#post35325

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 12, 2005 at 6:57 pm in reply to: Larken Rose Trial

    Larken Rose was found guilty on all of the govenments (5) charges.

    Yes, this trial was very unfair, Rose could not even put the law into evidence, so that the jury could see it for themselves. as well as many other items that may have proved his case.

    However, the jury must be in a coma not to see how there was no evidence against Rose Larken. The jury has a man's freedom under their power, yet, it seems that they don't need to see the “law” that he is accused of disobeying. I know that I would have a reasonable doubt in deciding any question regarding someone's freedom as it related to the “law”, when the prosecution would not submit the “law” into evidence. What a disapointment!

    Quote:
    Pennsylvania Tax Detractor Convicted for Not Reporting Back Taxes

    A Philadelphia jury August 12 convicted section 861 proponent Larken Rose for not filing back taxes, bolstering the IRS's efforts to fight ongoing doubts about the validity of the code.

    Former IRS agent turned anti-tax advocate Joseph R. Banister walked away from a similar tax fraud indictment earlier this summer (for coverage, see Doc 2005-13738 or 2005 TNT 121-1), a legal coup heralded by leaders of the so-called tax honesty movement as confirmation their controversial views are gaining ground.

    Rose was charged with willfull failure to file after refusing to submit federal returns from 1998 through 2002. He has openly admitted to not filing federal or state taxes since 1997 and has actively invited goverment prosecution since at least 2001.

    The conviction could land Rose in prison for up to five years (one year per count). He was placed under house arrest until his sentencing on November 15.

    His wife and business partner, Tessa R. David, will face the same charges in a separate criminal proceeding tentatively set to begin as early as August 19.

    Rose has for years raised questions as to whether specific foreign sourcing rules trump the broader income filing requirements. He maintains that the current system misconstrues gross and taxable income — a distinction which he claims places domestic earnings outside the reach of the existing income tax structure — and insists the Service has never adequately refuted his interpretation of 861 regulations.

    The prosecution team split their time between establishing that Rose and David received enough income from their home-based medical transcription business during the years in question to warrant filing a return (IRS records project joint earnings of approximately $500, 000 across the five-year timeframe), and chronicling a half-dozen instances when IRS officials attempted to convince Rose about the limited scope of the 861 provision.

    During the trial, various IRS agents testified that the 861 rules apply specifically to the calculation of foreign tax credits.

    Assistant United States Attorney Floyd J. Miller introduced a string of IRS notices and other official correspondence amassed by Rose as proof he knew the 861 position was invalid, but noted that Rose chose not to file anyway. Miller also touted a number of adverse district and tax court rulings which Rose had been a party to as additonal justification that his 861 position was flawed.

    “This is a case about a man who doesn't want to pay his fair share,” Miller argued, and lampooned the one-time groundskeeper for holding himself out as the “supreme interpreter of the internal revenue code.”

    While acknowledging that the judiciary had considered aspects of his 861 position, Rose stressed that the recent decisions failed to counter his understanding of the underlying income statutes.

    “I was told by the judges that domestic income is taxable. I was told by the law that it wasn't,” he stated, adding, “I want to be convinced by evidence, not an assertion.”

    http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?p=34668#post34668

    http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t=3382&page=1&pp=10

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 8, 2005 at 8:35 pm in reply to: Simkanin Update

    Here is the “UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT” regarding Richard Simkanin:

    http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/0…531-CR0.wpd.pdf

    Simkanin Conviction Affirmed on Appeal

    http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?p=34380#post34380

    This court seems to be happy with a “directed jury”, they indicate it was irrelevent.

    They seem to actually rely on some unpublished decisions. This seems very unfair.

    In short, it seems to be evidence of an additional unjust decision, by yet, another court that is supporting the IRS fraud.

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 3, 2005 at 3:33 am in reply to: Simkanin Update

    For your information, see, Free Dick Simkanin:

    http://dicksimkanin.blogspot.com/

  • BOBT12

    Member
    August 2, 2005 at 9:53 pm in reply to: letter to irs on non-income
    cdsea10 wrote on Aug 2 2005, 11:00 AM:
    I? PUT? THE? WRONG? WEB? PAGE>>>>

    this is the page and info i wanted feedback on…? saoory – charlie

    http://www.wealth4freedom.com/taxes/UBDAJUDGE.htm

    [post=”1631″][/post]

    Welcome to the Family Guardian.

    I love this article, please see more on this below, “Voluntary Compliance” Based on Fraud:

    http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?p=33987#post33987

    Thank you.

  • BOBT12

    Member
    July 27, 2005 at 10:23 pm in reply to: Help with bank lien suit
    CatWoman wrote on Jul 24 2005, 07:26 AM:
    I have a great case I believe if I could figure out exactly what charge to sue the Bank on.? I am a non-taxpayer who stopped filing in 2000.? Just got FOIA back stating that there are no leins on record.? None the less the IRS sent out a 668 A to me and B to the Bank.? This in June 2005.? I noticed bank in Sept. 2004 of the proper proceedure, law etc. preparing them for this eventuality, requesting that they follow proper procedure and require proper paper work and proof of valid claim and valid lein before turning any funds over to IRS.? June 2005 after sworn affidavit to bank stating my lack of liability and challenge to jurisdiction, Bank turns over funds.? I need to know how to proceed so that I am in the best position to recover my funds and to possibly make some points for our side.? The amount of bank account was around $700. in two accounts.? IRS fraudulant claim is for about $3,000.? No legal assessment has been seen by me.? They ignored my FOIA recarding the 23-C assessment certificate.? Still working on that.? Feel I need to act on this asap.? Someone must have dealt with this already.? Please any help will be appreciated.

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    CatWoman, welcome to the Family Guardian.

    I am going through this very issue with my former bank.

    Here are a few tips:

    Consider Suing the Corporation and the Individual

    http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t=2955

    Here is one of those elusive wins:

    http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/levycase.htm

    Additional information:

    http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=473&hl=

    http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Update2005-03-09.htm

    I like Secrets of The Legal Industry by Richard Cornforth

    http://www.richardcornforth.com/shop/

    http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/index.html

    http://www.constitution.org/bouv/bouvier_m.htm

    I hope this helps.

  • BOBT12

    Member
    July 22, 2005 at 9:57 pm in reply to: Alternative Currencies
  • BOBT12

    Member
    July 21, 2005 at 10:01 pm in reply to: Bush wants DRAFT June 15th, 2005!!
    Quote:
    Former Vietnam Combat and Commercial Pilot Firm Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job

    Posted on: 7/17/2005 7:54:00 AM – Columnist 

    By Greg Szymanski

    There was no fooling former Air Force and commercial pilot Russ Wittenberg the morning of 9/11. He knew it was an inside job from the get-go, knowing the ?big boys? were up to the same dirty tricks they played in the Kennedy assassination and Pearl Harbor.

    The government may have fooled millions of Americans with its cockamamie official story, but the former fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam and who sat for 35 years in the cockpit for Pan Am and United, wasn?t one of them.

    Now, almost four years later, Wittenberg is still shaking his head in disbelief more than ever, saying the country he loved and fought so bravely 40 years ago has fallen in the deep, dark and sinister hands of fascist leaders who are quickly turning America into a military state.

    […]Claiming the entire neo con scenario now playing out in America and around the world is based on the attempt to establish a one world government controlled by a select few, he said it?s difficult to figure out their true motives, adding he can only offer an educated guess based on what he?s studied and read.

    ?Power corrupts, money isn?t enough and these people want total control,? added Wittenberg. ?These elites actually think they are better than everybody else and basically want power and control over the diminishing resources by creating a one world government.

    emphasis added.

    http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623

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