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rattler14 wrote on Sep 26 2005, 04:27 PM:BOBT12,Again Bob, be careful.? This here is an unproven accusation
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3617
Flocco has been known to post sensationalistic stories and then never reveal sources or confirm.? While it would be truly amazing if this actually occurred, it's still not definite.
Just like the IRS stuff, there is a lot of disinfo…? you have to be careful what you argue, because you can discredit yourself before you get the chance to prove your case.
cheers,
[post=”1800″][/post]Thank you rattler14,
Although, I wish to clear up any misunderstanding on this news item that I posted, it was not my intent to argue any issue at this early stage of development. I merely wanted to inform those who might be interested in the issue, so that they could look at the information for themselves.
In any event, thanks for the link, ect.. I will be more cautious about the Flocco data.
Here is a little article that some may find interesting.
9-11 crash victim Barbara Olson arrested in Europe:
Quote:Mrs. Olson's alleged cell phone call to her husband was employed by the administration and the 9.11 Commission as partial proof that American 77 crashed into the Pentagon, despite physical evidence to the contrary.The Pentagon crash evidence was ignored and obstructed by both the Commission and previously by the Joint Congressional Intelligence Committee in its own separate probe.
[…]According to the agents, Barbara Olson is reportedly considered to be a conspirator to the obstruction of justice in the mass murders of 3,000 individuals on September 11, 2001 in the attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the alleged crash in southwestern Pennsylvania
http://tomflocco.com/fs/OlsenArrested.htm
How long can this sort of information be surppressed?
Thanks for the information, it is very interesting.
Welcome to the forum, Bruce.
Thanks for the insightful information gentlemen.
Frequently, I find that I must be careful about how I bring up issues, of this nature, to people, who feel that everything is how it appears. However, things are not as they appear, are they?
Then others see that what I am hinting at is true, yet, they find that it causes them to feel uncomfortable. At this time, I often get several indications that they have had enough. And a very, very few will listen, beyond this point!
This is one of the many reasons that I like the members at suijuris.net, famguardian.org, and other like minded people. In addition, my brother is my strength.
Kindest regards to all.
According to Republican Congressman Ron Paul:
Quote:“Congress reacted to Katrina in the expected irresponsible manner. It immediately appropriated over $60 billion with little planning or debate. Taxes won?t be raised to pay the bill ? fortunately. There will be no offsets or spending reductions to pay the bill. Welfare and entitlement spending is sacrosanct. Spending for the war in Iraq and the military-industrial complex is sacrosanct. There is no guarantee that gracious foreign lenders will step forward, especially without raising interest rates. This means the Federal Reserve and Treasury will print the money needed to pay the bills. The sad truth is that monetary debasement hurts poor people the most ? the very people we saw on TV after Katrina. Inflating our currency hurts the poor and destroys the middle class, while transferring wealth to the ruling class. This occurs in spite of good intentions and misplaced compassion.”“We face a coming financial crisis. Our current account deficit is more than $600 billion annually. Our foreign debt is more than $3 trillion. Foreigners now own over $1.4 trillion of our Treasury and mortgage debt. We must borrow $3 billion from foreigners every business day to maintain our extravagant spending. Our national debt now is increasing $600 billion per year, and guess what, we print over $600 billion per year to keep the charade going. But there is a limit and I?m fearful we?re fast approaching it.”
“Runaway inflation is a well-known phenomenon. It leads to political and economic chaos of the kind we witnessed in New Orleans. Hopefully we?ll come to our senses and not allow that to happen. But we?re vulnerable and we have only ourselves to blame. The flawed paper money system in existence since 1971 has allowed for the irresponsible spending of the past 30 years. Without a linkage to gold, Washington politicians and the Federal Reserve have no restraints placed on their power to devalue our money by merely printing more to pay the bills run up by the welfare-warfare state.”
“This system of money is a big contributing factor in the exporting of American jobs, especially in the manufacturing industries.”
“Since the last link to gold was severed in 1971, the dollar has lost 92% of its value relative to gold, with gold going from $35 to $450 per ounce.”
“Major adjustment of the dollar and the current account deficit can come any time, and the longer the delay the greater the distortions will be in terms of a correction.”
Peace.
Thanks for the reply, rattler14.
By the way, here is another good link:
Quote:LA Times Claims Al Qaeda is Government Conspiracy Hoax!Three news headlines probing the question of how real the Al Qaeda threat is. Read… Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?, Does al-Qaeda Exist?, and Deeper Propaganda Twists.
See The TV ads that ran 2850 times in NYC– Censored by CBS, NBC, ABC, and Fox!:
About the Pentagon: Quicktime Movie
About Bldg. 7 at WTC: Quicktime Movie
90% of CNN Viewers Believe in a 9/11 Cover-up:
On Wednesday, November 10th, Anderson Cooper featured Kyle Hence and Jimmy Walter regarding the latter's TV ad campaign to expose 9/11 truth on WTC 7 and the Pentagon strike. An on-air poll showed close to 90% of viewers believe there's been a cover-up of the true events of September 11… full story >>
http://www.reopen911.org/index.htm
Please enjoy, and keep on pluggin'.
- rattler14 wrote on Sep 16 2005, 04:25 PM:BOBT12 wrote on Sep 16 2005, 04:18 PM:Here is something that I picked up on the news this morning:Quote:[Weldon said]Atah was identified as a terrorist in 1999. Atah was the mastermine of the attack. The employee expected to name the the person at the Pentagon who order him to destroy the material. Weldon claims Atah, and three other hijackers, were identified in 1999 by a classified millatary intelligence until know as “Able Danger” which determine that they could be members on an Al-Qaida cell.
Ed Donahue, Washington.
KYW News Radio
9/16/2005 7:39 a.m.
I believe that Weldon is scheduled to testify at some hearing next week.
[post=”1748″][/post]BOBT12,
I hate to burst your bubble, but the whole focus on Atah is a red herring, a distraction from the real issues. Once you realize that some of the Hijackers are still alive, once you realize that tower 7 was proof of a controlled demolition, once you realize that what hit the pentagon couldn't possibly have been a boeing plane, then issues like this are insignificant.
Because, who cares if the “terrorist” really intended on doing something malicious. If you prove that the government had some knowledge or even helped, then this matter will sort itself out in the end.
In the tax honesty movement, it's the equivalent of arguing that the 16th amendment was never properly ratified. True or not, it doesn't matter because it was later confirmed that the 16th amendment gave no new taxing powers (and so on).
cheers
[post=”1749″][/post]My bubble is still intact. 😀
However, the above story seems to support the fact the government officials in high places are involved in a conspiracy connected to the events around 9/11/2001.
This may add to the body of evidence, which suggest agents of the government contacted Osama Bin Ladan, in a hospital, several months prior to 9/11 in order to, apparently, plan the whole event. Osama was wanted in connection to other, so-called, terrorist events at the time. Why was Osama not arrested at the time? Why didn't the U.S. capture Osama anyway, after two wars in his name (War on Terror)?
The hijacker's may have worked on their own. Or they were in on the scheme. Either way, the govenment seems to have known what was about to happen, and did nothing to stop it. In fact aided by derailing the investigation of key players. Of course this means that government was interested in making sure that the event took place without any hinderance. Even to the point of stopping an ongoing investigation!
I think this will be news to some people in the general public. Regardless, I think that it will add to the growing body of evidence that indicates 9/11/2001 was assisted, or executed, by the federal government. Additionally, it was likely planned at a high very high level within the government.
Any formal hearing(s) on the matter, in my view, will give credence to all research on this topic. This may bring these 9/11 issues to the public's attention in a way that we have not seen since the, deceptive, 911 Commission Report was released.
Here is something that I picked up on the news this morning:
Quote:[…]Atah was identified as a terrorist in 1999. Atah was the mastermine of the attack. The employee [Weldon [?]] expected to name the the person at the Pentagon who order him to destroy the material [regarding the hijackers]. Weldon claims Atah, and three other hijackers, were identified in 1999 by a classified millatary intelligence until know as “Able Danger”[?] which determined that they could be members of an Al-Qaida cell.Ed Donahue, Washington.
KYW News Radio
9/16/2005 7:39 a.m. EST
I believe that Weldon is scheduled to testify at some hearing next week, regarding the 9/11/2001 issue.
- Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 15 2005, 07:41 AM:Well… I cannot take it for what it is worth, because you OBVIOUSLY make your position very clear when you said earlier in the post:Quote:Wow, I love this post. Keep spreading the great news!?
Sonik Speed
[post=”1737″][/post]Notice that I said that I (Me, Myself, and I) love the post? What, I cannot speak for myself? I guess that there should be no ability to speak freely?
Quote:Originally posted by BOBT12I must respectfully disagree [with Sonik Speed], I think that rattler14 is going in the right direction. I have read Peter Hendrickson's book “Cracking the Code: The Fascinating Truth About Taxation in America” and it seems rather on point. While I have a few reservations, I do not think that Hendrickson is an idiot. And I like to see as many voices speaking against this current tax scheme as posible.
Emphasis added.
Here I make it clear why I made my statment. However, you seem to want to make it appear that I have said something more. The statment is clear, that I found Hendrickson's work to be rather on point. You are attempting to read something into my post, which simply does not exist.
If you would bother to read Hendrickson's work, you would be free to come to your own conclusion based upon fact, rather than opinion. No one is saying that you must read the work. However, until read the work, it is fair to say that you are merely giving your uninformed opinion. Further, so far, you lack facts relating to Hendrickson's work.
You have been provided with facts, such as this:
Quote:Originally posted by lchessonThe subtitle ” IRS agrees with refunds ” may not be true, but is APPARENTLY true via their actions as implied by the context of the post. I have seen copies of the checks, and have receive e-mails from individuals that claimed they too have received a refund.
This is not hearsay. Ichesson witnessed (fact) what he is claiming! Ichesson talked to a witness regarding a refund. The witness would appear to be speaking of his/her own issue (fact) of receiving a refund. What more do you want?
However, you are still unhappy. Why? What would you have us do? Should we ignore the facts, and our own opinion, in order to make you happy Sonik?
It is clear that I, and others, do not agree with your opinion. Thus, I suggest that “you are free to find you own proof.”
Dear SoniK Speed,
Quote:Originally posted by BOBT12Yes, I have read Hendrickson's book, and I like much of what I have seen, I have presented my limited support and information in my post. Take it for what it is worth, nothing more.
Emphasis added.
Which part of this statment do you fail to understand?
- Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 14 2005, 02:12 PM:I rest my case…
[Please do.]
It is abundantly clear that you two folks rely on hearsay evidence to an extent.
[What hearsay evidence? It seems that you are making all of the claims, which you then demand answers to. These claims, are your issues, you are free to find you own proof.]
Good luck through your journies of superstition…
[What superstition? Where was this “superstition” at issue?]
Sonik Speed
[post=”1733″][/post]Emphasis and comments added.
Sonic, your post is unjustfied. I feel that the members have answered your questions in a reasonable manner. You seem to require more. However, I feel that you have some personal issues to work out. In any case, I think that my posts state my position clearly. You may read them as many times as you would like.
I trust that this will resolve this matter.
- lchesson wrote on Sep 14 2005, 08:54 AM:O.K., O.K., I'll start and end the personal assaults by simply acknowledging my own shortcomings.? And the list is long.
We can agree to disagree with the following:
1.? The Title of this thread ” Dept. of Justice will NOT pursue”? is? an absolutely true statement.? Call it semantics if you will, but the word “will” does NOT mean “shall” or “can”, but is defined as “choice” or “consent” applied to the context of the post.?
2.? The subtitle ” IRS agrees with refunds ” may not be true, but is APPARENTLY true via their actions as implied by the context of the post.? I have seen copies of the checks, and have receive e-mails from individuals that claimed they too have received a refund.? The only conclusion I can draw apart from the possibility that Pete is orchestrating a huge sting operation is that the IRS agrees to the extent of issuing refunds.
3.? Jumping to the conclusion that? ” Dept. of Justice will NOT pursue” and ” IRS agrees with refunds “ is derived from “the DOJ agrees with Pete's work” COULD be true; but I never made that claim.
The only proof I can offer concerns patterns of behavior within our governments that obviously indicate they have no intention of relinquishing their claim to sovereignty and our position of involuntary servitude.? All I can say for sure is that Bible prophecy will happen, but we are under no less obligation to expose the fraud at every opportunity and leave no stone unturned, often at the expense of warriors (and their followers) like Thompson, Rose, Schiff, Shultz, et. al., and someday possibly Hendrickson.
IMO, we are at war.? Front line troops will be lost, but if we all sit back waiting for that silver bullet; that unmistakable admission that can only be realized through sacrafice and trial and error; then we will never reach the line in the sand.? It is disheartening to see innocent people castrated by servant authority, and we have to look in the mirror and ask ourselves “Why do we continue to allow it”?
Assuming we are all on the same side, I'll end it here:?
This trivial pissing back and forth is towards our own destruction.
[post=”1728″][/post]Emphasis added.
lchesson, I agree, I cannot state the case any better than this, therefore, I won't attempt to.
Sonik, I will stand on my posts, as I have presented them.
Thank you.
- rattler14 wrote on Sep 14 2005, 09:37 AM:1 more links to those interested…
http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/090805/coverstory.html
Morgan Reynolds calling forth a new investigation…Â appealing to those who support the government's side to prove it with forensics
Again, there is a whole lot of information out there, and only so many hours in the week. It's more important to learn the basics and get the word out than to read 10 books and 1000 pages of online text, and keep all that knowledge hidden in your noggin.Â
It's probably the exact opposite with the income tax. You want to make sure you know everything cold and being to recite USC cites and court cases on a moments notice to government officials.
Take care everyone
[post=”1729″][/post]Keep up the good work. This is most amazing! I will do what I can to get out the word.
Rattler14,
Wow, what can I say, it will take some time to review the excellent information that you have provided.
Thanks.
- ehudmii wrote on Sep 12 2005, 06:20 PM:I haven't read Henderson's book, and I do not intend to do so.
1. To imagine that persons in government with a long history of criminal offenses (perpetrated under the color of law) will actually obey the law respectfully,… is insane.
2. Henderson's claim does not address what I believe to be the real problem,… YOU MUST FIRST PAY.? Gratitude for getting the money BACK is nothing more than thanking the kind Nazi doctor for returning your balls.? The scars still show…
If you do not at first pay, you are subject to death-threats and arrest by the violent among the government staff.? THIS is what I believe to be the serious problem.
Only those who do not pay,… successfully starve the beast.
[post=”1718″][/post]Emphasis added.
Where has Hendrickson stated that “YOU MUST FIRST PAY”?
I believe that Hendrickson makes the case that many people are in a situation where their earnings are withheld in error, usually by their employer. The employer may be ignorant or operating under threats, duress, or coercion (TDC).
Applying for a refund is one, of a number of options, that Hendricson mentions, for example, sueing your employer is another option. However, many people find this difficult. In the end it is up the individual to decide what action he or she will take.
What information can you offer on a topic, if you refuse to read the work?
