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Sonik, if one were to go back and read the exchanges between Author and AndyK, I seem to recall that Andy K stipulated, point blank, that he would write and post a rebuttal to the Trade or Business Scam treatise.

As I recall, Author immediately accepted AndyK's proffer, and there was some general discussion about the suggested due date. And I also seem to recall that AndyK may have asked for some additional time to craft his rebuttal.

I don't recall what Forums these exchanges occurred in, or where the solemn promise made by AndyK, IRS attorney, is contained, but I am sure they are easy enough to locate for anyone that might be interested in seeing first hand, what the IRS lawyer a/k/a “AndyK”, promised he said he would do, and then he failed to honor his word and follow through.

Thus, based on the facts, one can certainly conclude that AndyK lied to us.

And this has nothing to do with AndyK's apparent intellectual obtuseness with respect to his pretending to not understand the Jurisdictional thesis.

Based on AndyK's posts both here and at Q-loser Land, the feeble manner in which he attempts to argue, and certain other tells, I would conclude that he is just a young kid, probably around 26 – 32 years of age. I suspect too that he let his mouth outpace his brain when he boldly promised he would rebut the Trade or Business treatise, and I am willing to bet that when he made that promise to us, he had not even read the darn thing yet.

In any case, no doubt a more senior IRS attorney felt it necessary to have sit down with young AndyK and likely instructed AndyK to not even attempt to rebut the Trade or Business Scam pamphlet, lest he open up a pandora's box and bring much unwanted attention to one of the IRS's achilles heals.

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LOL!!! 😀

I think you are right, Sonik.

I forgot that Andy was banned for lying to the Forum.

He was banned because he lied repeatedly to us and he failed to honor his word when he posted that he would rebut the “Trade or Business Scam” treatise.

Thanks reminding me, Sonik.

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Bing Posted: A nonresident alien's remuneration that is not effectively connected with a trade or business, is excluded from “wages” and is not subject to withholding. Period. Andy, you agree with that statement, right? Sure you do.

Andy's Reply:You are entitled to your interpretation of the law.

Umm, but gosh, it is not my interpretation of the law at all.

Andrew, I have an idea!!!

Why don't you stop pretending that you are, how shall I put this nicely, in a freaking coma, and simply go and read the legal evidence located in:

* 26 CFR 1.864-2( b )(i), and

* 26 USC 871 ( b )(2), and

* 26 USC 3401 (a)(6), and

* 26 CFR 31.3401(a)(6)-1( b ), and. . . .

Gosh darn Andy, how's about it? Tell us what you read (assuming you can read) when you read the 4 above citations. If it will help you, feel free to move your lips while reading aloud.

Sure, the 4 cites above ain't no Tax Court Memo, that you and yer IRS buddies love to quote verbatim and ad nauseum. Nahh, it is only the Treasury Regulations and the Internal Revenue Code, which will have to suffice in proving either you or I are wrong, because we both can not be right.

Why don't you simply quote them as I cited them above and thereby prove to us that your post was correct and that my, ahem, as you put it, interpretation was wrong?

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PS. Call it a hunch, but if I were a betting man, I would wager that we shant be seeing Andy authoring any reply to this post anytime in the next 30 or 40 years.

Ahhhhh, silence truly is golden. 🙂

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AndyK wrote on Apr 14 2006, 03:36 PM:

Bing wrote on Apr 14 2006, 08:43 AM:

The IRS wants the money back.

However, if the IRS is lawfully entitled to any money, than that would mean that the persons who filed the 4852 Forms and requested their $$$ be returned to them, committed perjury. Amazingly, though, the IRS and DOJ are not prosecuting anyone for perjury, mail fraud, etc.

Why?

Because the door is still open for criminal prosecution.? These people are being given a lot of slack.? In MY OPINION: too much

No doubt that they DO NOT want to shed even more light on the illegality of the IRS's methods and the effectiveness of the CTC filing approach. THe IRS is trying to plug the Dam but, alas, that puppy has already burst. Ahahahahaha.

The IRS and DOJ are lying in their complaints and the complaints are full of presumption.

YOUR opinion.? Any facts to back it up?

A nonresident alien's remuneration that is not effectively connected with a trade or business, is excluded from “wages” and is not subject to withholding. Period. Andy, you agree with that statement, right?? Sure you do.

You are entitled to your interpretation of the law.

Man, I am sure glad I have not filed an income tax return in many years, so I don't have to deal with the liars and theives that work at the IRS.

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A Happy Man who lawfully pays no income taxes

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These refund recovery suits are only the beginning. Wait for the other shoe.

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Andy, Andy, Andy, I still be waiting for that proverbial, “other shoe” What? Are we supposed to wait for Marty “Shoeshine” Shoemaker to bring that pesky shoe to the fore? What gives?

Or, is it that you and your IRS buds are still having a tuff time locating the pesky shoe, and you are still using yer buckets to get all the water out of the IRS basement at 1111 Constitution Ave? Is that it? I know, the shoe is still submerged under water?

Finally, I am absolutely amazed that this thread has in excess of 14,000 hits. Truly, that is a FG Forum record.

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A simple, yet complex man who lawfully does not pay any income taxes and the only thing he has cracked lately, were a few eggs and “wind” 😮

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Good points, all.

The Federal Reserve Board and Banks are evil incarnate.

A huge financial crises is looming, once the entire 77 million baby-boomers are all over age 62. Just you wait and see.

I suspect and predict that China, to coincide with the earliest retirements of the baby-boomers, will in the next 4-5 years, stop financing the USG operations, and will begin to slowly dump (i.e. sell) USG bonds and Treasury Notes. Right now China owns almost $750 BILLION is USG securities.

The present value of the un-funded liabilities to the babyBoomers, is about $73 TRILLION.

Now, all of the US coin and currency in the world only amounts to about $1.4 TRILLION. Looks like the Fed will need to ramp up their money presses. can you spell I-N-F-L-A-T-I-O-N?

Mark my words, a financial crises will befall America, the likes of which will make the Federal Reserve Board's induced 1930's depression, look like a Frat Party.

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I recall a few years back being told by someone, that Wesley Snipes was a HUGE believer in the 861 Source Argument.

I read the indictment and, well, I have no idea what a “Bill of exchange” is, but apparently Mr. Snipes allegedly sent one or more of those things to senior US Government officials, in lieu of sending cash$$$. I think he was trying to discharge a debt he insisted he did not have.

Eddie Kahn, of the family Kahn, formerly of Florida, but now relaxing in even warmer/colder climate of ?????, has written some decent stuff over the years regarding the USG government's limited jurisdiction, but me thinks he made a major blunder by foolishly jumping on the Larken “I am A 861 Hero” Rose bandwagon.

Sigh.

You should all read the indictment just for kicks, to get a better sense of the DOJ attack points. Notice too, that on Page 3, the DOJ admits that “the IRS was an agency of the US Dept of Treasury”. They used the past tense, not the present tense.

Now, I wonder if Snipe's legal counsel will try to put into evidence, 31 USC sections 301-311, and if so, whether the indicment becomes fatally defective?

It appears that the FBI/DOJ were bugging Mr. Snipe's phones and the Feds have been tracking/monitoring Snipes for many years, no doubt to try and build a stronger case.

See the indictment here: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainme…0,7133151.story

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Hoo-yah!! 😛 😀

Thank you for sharing.

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Uhhh, all I can say is, “rut-roh”.

Ummm, WTP and Bob Schulz now propose, to, uhhh, go “Trick or Treating” inside the most federal of federal areas, that being, of course, Washington, DC.

And to do so wearing a mask. 😮

And this “protestors-in-disguise” event will happen in the age of terrorism and all that, and doing it inside the District of Columbia, of all places. I dunno folks.

Sure, I guess this latest WTP event is geared to get publicity, but why hide one's face at all? Will that mean WTP will get more publicity? I guess we shall see soon enough.

Finally, I am not sure what it means, but I just got an urgent phone call and was told that WTP is scouring the entire country and buying up all the Moe, Larry, Curly, and Shemp masks that they can locate. 😮

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I too concur with Ehudmii.

Bravo!! Well said, sir.

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Sonik, I am certain I am loathed by the IRS employees who spend 8 hours each day, in furtherance of the IRS's Web Based Propaganda machine and who post under false names over at quatloos.

Several years ago I attempted, repeatedly mind you, to have an honest and candid exchange of ideas with them, and well, let's just say they were, to a person, in denial about any number of things. It got to the point that any thread I started would be deleted within hours. And they often would flood the threads with meaningless excerpts from US Tax Courts Memos and other drivel, simply as a tactic to drown out my posts and obfuscate the issues.

They even mocked me and insisted that the Declaration of Independence was not one of the USA Organic Laws, and was not law inside the 50 Union states, so what does that tell you?

In any event, their enmity toward me is a badge of honor. Needless to say, I don't care what the Q-losers think or post about me.

I don't know Bob Schulz and I base my conclusions in my posts above, based only on the documents and emails that others forward to me. That's it. In this connection, based upon the most recent revelations from Bob and WTP, any objective assessment would generally have to conclude that neither Bob nor the Board of Directors have effectively discharged thier duties as stewards, because they appear to have willfully neglected to ensure that the WTP Congress and Foundation continued viability, by failing to establish and implement a Donor Relations Program.

Look at it this way, based on WTP's own admission, donations have dropped dramatically during 2006. Okay, so since Bob knew this was the case months before the Summer 2006 country – wide Tour, what in the world was he doing telling the world he was going on a 50 state Speaking Tour, and then incurring all kinds of costs to start that Tour, knowing he lacked the fiscal wherewithal to complete what he said he was going to do?

And also, Bob proclaimed to the world that in Sept and Oct of 2006 there was going to be two major events in Washington, D.C., only to have to admit later that those events were not going to occur because of court filing deadlines. More back pedaling and excuses from Bob, in his capacity as WTP CEO.

I am curious, just how many more times is the WTP Board going to allow Bob to promise major stuff, and then screw up when it comes to the deliverables? I have no idea who is on the WTP Board, but it appears that their collective ineptness and oversight knows no bounds. If the WTP Board is not ultimately accountable for the operational missteps of the WTP CEO, then who is? I mean, there is only so much that can be blamed on that self=professed dynamite red-head.”

Hey, Bob is free to do whatever he wants and make all kinds of pie-in-the-sky promises to American Citizens, but there comes a point, after his repeated inability to follow through, that one begins to lose credibility. If I were the CEO of WTP, and Bob was my direct report and he kept promising things and repeatedly failed to deliver what he promised, it would be incumbant upon me to remove Bob for cause, and to do so forthwith. At the risk of appearing heartless and cruel here, but this is how it works in the real world. Employees should be held accountable for their mistakes. End of story.

People should be held personally accountable for their job performance or lack thereof. To me, it is as simple as that.

Now, I freely concede that it was primarily through WTP and Bob that the THM received the incredible jolt that it needed these last 5 years, and he is due all credit for the events he did organize and was able to pull off. And Bob is due also the lions share of the accolades for serving as the singular spark to motivate countless Americans to get off their butts and hold the IRS and USG accountable. And then of course their are the MAJOR victories in Schulz I & II, which were truly historic. I don't deny that there are discrete instances in the past where WTP and Bob have performed and produced superior results.

However, at the same time, I am also not going to sit here and go “ga-ga” over Bob and WTP, act like a Bob Schulz sycophant, and remain silent after reading through the Form 990s and listen to Bob whine that WTP is spending “hundreds of hours” in an IRS 990 audit, because Bob and the WTP put themselves into such a vulnerable position by seeking IRS tax exempt status in the first place, which I and at least one other THM person I spoke to years ago, readily admitted that obtaining 501 ( c) 3 tax exempt status was a major strategic mistake.

WTP and Bob have had 6+ years to reverse their mistake and give up the tax exempt blessing and status received from the IRS. Can anyone here please explain to this Forum why Bob never fixed that blunder? Did it even occur to Bob that such an action should be reversed?

Now, Bob is quick to remind us that he has never accepted any compensation from WTP. And truly, his donation of his time, and I am sure he has spent his own money too on WTP expenses, but nevertheless, just because he was a high ranking volunteer at WTP, and its Founder and Chairman, this did not remove him from being held accounatble to the Board for his job performance.

I have no idea whether Bob ever received a written evaluation from the WTP Board, but if he did not get at least evaluated on an annual basis, then as CEO, he should have insisted on getting one. And if he never had one, than the WTP Board dropped the ball.

The whole idea behind getting perfomance evaluations is so that one can identify their professional weaknesses, correct any mistakes, and make mid-course adjustments while ensuring that the employee's goals are consistent with the Organization's goals and mission.

I know my assessments in this thread may appear harsh, but look at it this way, Bob and WTP assumed the mantle of leadership and with any position of leadeship comes great repsonsibility. As Bob and WTP expanded their base of supporters and became better known nationally, it became even more important that WTP operate with a strategic Plan, annual budgets, and all of the good administrative controls a fledgling Firm must have in order to flourish. Bob was so blinded by the notion of transparency, that he allowed WTP to stupidly put the Organization's Strategic Plan on the Web for everyone to see. That too was a stupid mistake.

We are in a war against the IRS and WTP publishes their intentions and action plans. A Strategic Plan is generally considered to be a classified document and there was no need to publish it on the Web. Now, I am not going to critique WTP's Plan, but suffice it to say, when I read it, I found it was lacking in any number of respects and it was clear to me that it was composed by one or more people who did not have a firm grasp about the nature and scope of a Strategic Plan.

WTP and Bob appear to have a penchant over the years of telling folks in advance, of all the myriad of the things that they intend to accomplish in the future. However, when you let your opponents know in advance what you intend to do and how you intend to go about accomplishing your goals, you give them the chance to set up road blocks and such.

The current problems and issues confronting WTP Management and its Board, are, in my view, the cumulative effect of a series of poor strategic, tactical, and operational decisions over the past 6 years, and that, taken together, have placed WTP in such a vulnerable position vis-a-vis the IRS. The WTP Board had both a duty and a responsibilty to identify, locate and cultivate potential donors and to develop a fund raising Plan which should have been one element of a WTP Strategic Plan.

I am greatly saddened to have read some of the things about WTP from WTP's own mouth, that I have read in the past few weeks, and I hold the WTP Chairman Bob and the WTP Board, directly repsonsible for the current state of affairs. I feel as though Bob and WTP have let me down and that they dropped the ball by doing such an ineffective job planning for the future of WTP and by not doing a more effective job at fund raising.

If WTP is formally dissolved, we we will carry on the fight and will be less organized for some time, but the fight for Truth, Liberty and Justice will go on.

We each have to fight for our personal liberty and Rights.

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And here you have it folks, it is two years later, and the propaganda is just starting to begin about how wonderful and safe it will be for pets, and then elderly and infants, to be safe, by having a chip implanted into them.

See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15261656?GT1=8618

for this evidence

Interestingly enough, the company that produced the chip, paid to have the wayward dog flown from Texas back to California and reunited with its owners. How generous of them, eh?

What are the chances that this entire story is the result of an AVID operation? Nahhhh. They would never do THAT!

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Well, I think the Movement is certainly going to proceed full speed ahead, with or without WTP leading the charge.

Far, far too many American Citizens have learned the Truth over the past 10 years about the IRS and the voluntary nature of paying income taxes, and scores of them have left the tax rolls.

It is only a matter of time before the tax lawyers get on board and convince their high net worth clients of certain effective tax strategies.

I agree with you that Schulz's major victory were Schulz I and Schulz II.

Strangely, though, he never followed through and capitalized on those major victories and failed to get the mileage out of them that he should have.

Another thing, when I read last Spring & Summer that WTP was going on a 50 state Road Show this summer, I was again, left scratching my head wondering how in the world they were going to fund that and manage the logistics????

True to form, some weeks later, WTP had to abandon that ship as well, when they underestimated the cost and logistic management required to get all of that equipment from city to city. Once again, poor planning on WTP's part.

They advance when they should retrench, and they retrench when they should advance. It would have been far better, to target only 10 to 15 states, and then tell the world you are going to go to 10 – 15 states.

One of the things I never quite understood about Bob Schulz and WTP, is they had a penchant for over-promising and then undelivering. Case in point, they announced several years ago, in advance mind you, that WTP was working with a Union, if I recall correctly, it was Local 98 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, on implementing a Union wide STOP WITHHOLDING Program led by WTP. I mean, why in the world would WTP intentionally telegraph to the enemy (IRS) in advance of such an important operation, and thus take away the element of surprise? And thus, give the IRS advance notice so they could intervene and put pressure on the Union to not ally itself with WTP.

WTP and Bob were not very good at building strategic alliances with other organizations. Not sure why that is so, but I place the blame on the Board and the CEO. In any war or battle, it is always preferable to have as many allies as you can get.

So here, with respect to the Union initiative that went no where, not only did WTP fail in the execution, but they also failed in the strategy side of it. Again, inept leadership by WTP.

And then there was the internal debacle with Devvy Kidd's quitting or her firing, whoever you choose to believe. Granted, I enjoyed reading all the letters and such, but I mean, there was no need for WTP to publicly discuss Devvy's professional shortcomings. I felt that that was purely an internal management matter and should have been kept in-house. That Devvy may not have had the judgment and discretion to handle things correctly, was no reason for Bob and WTP to publicly make counter-charges. Mud-slinging like that made Bob, WTP and Devvy all look bad.

But WTP was the worse off because they could ill afford to have their reputation so publicly tarnished as it was with the Devvy situation. WTP had far more to lose than Devvy did, and the The Board of WTP and the CEO should have made that calculus and reached a settlement with Devvy BEFORE the dirty laundry was aired in public.

I mean, if the WTP Board and CEO had been doing their job, they would have authorized WTP to reach an amicable settlement with Devvy and have had her sign a Release, agreeing not to make disparaging remarks about Bob or WTP. Case closed. However, the settlement came far too late after the public damage was already done.

You know, in the recent Emergency Motion, Bob is quick to place the blame of the great drop in financial donations to WTP, squarely on the shoulders of the IRS for doing such an intrusive audit, and donors being scared of IRS investigations. But who is kidding who here?

As a Manager and the CEO, Bob has made strategic, operational, and tactical blunders that long pre-dated the IRS's extant audit of WTP. And the Truth is, WTP supporters and prospective donors have noticed the inept management and failed leadership at WTP over these past few years, and I would submit that that, more than anything, has had a negative impact on WTP's finances. Well, that plus Bob's avowed lack of interest in creating a donor relations program and his stated lack of desire for seeking external funding. Seriously, donors generally want to be reassured that their donations will be going to someone who is a good steward. And any CEO of a non-for-profit that has no vision and no Action Plan to fund raise, can hardly be called an effective steward for the Institution that they supposedly lead.

To show how inept WTP managemnet is, one only has to read the recent Declaration and the Emergency Motion, coupled with the mass WTP email that was sent the other day. Now remember, the target audience of the email was prospective donors. So what do WTP and Bob Schulz do? Why they readily admit that the IRS is going after past WTP donors.

Now, I ask all of you, how is such an admission by Bob and WTP going to help attract new prospective donors? Think about that one. What in the world was WTP thinking when they decided on the phraseology of their recent fund raising email?? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot in advance!!!

If one is trying to position their organization in such a way as to persuade a prospective donor to donate, one does not at the same time scare the future donors by telling them that they likely will be investigated by the IRS.

I mean, c'mon!!

Anyone who is a non-taxpayer and devoted to the Cause, already knows that if you donate to WTP, your name and address may be revealed to the IRS. So making such a disclosure in an fund raising Appeal letter is counter-productive and just plain stupid.

The point is, the fact that WTP is under assault by the IRS is hardly surprising. If you are trying to get new donations as WTP currently is, my goodness, at least have the sense enough to figure out more effective ways to make your pitch to prospective donors, then to basically tell them Ohh, by the way, if you make a donation to WTP be prepared to be investigated by the IRS and they also may seize your bank accounts too.

Who in their right mind, drafts such a fund raising appeal letter and actually expects it to be received favorably by prospective donors? Who?

I mean, this latest blunder by WTP only goes to show that the managerial ineptness at WTP is deeply ingrained.

If Bob Schulz and WTP are not able to effectively manage WTP's operation in normal times, as they have proven countless times in the past, why in the world would I ever expect that Bob and his team have the managerial ability to execute and perform while under siege by the IRS auditors.

I genuinely still believe that Schulz is a great American. I really do. And his personal courage is still inspiring to me and countless others. He is a fighter and that too is admirable.

However, as a CEO of a fledgling non-for-profit, WTP, he has not performed up to the level that I have expected that he would. He did a poor job planning WTP's future and appears to not have had a contingency plan to deal with the IRS audit.

But worse than that, is that it appears that as a CEO, he has not learned from his managerial miscues from the past. Also, he failed to surround himself with well qualified executives who had the ability to think both strategically and tactically. Bob's main problem is that he tried to do far too much with far too little and he spread himself and the WTP Organization too thin.

Now, all that said, I realize that WTP is not present to defend themselves, and one has to give Bob and WTP kudos for at least joining the fight and trying to make positive changes these past 7 years and for hanging in there and fighting the good fight. At least Bob and WTP have the guts and the courage to fight the tyranny, even though many times they did not fight correctly or very smart, and they kept making mistakes with their pleadings and Motions.

Has Mark Lane filed a Motion for any Court to Judicially Notice Certain Facts? And if not, why not?

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Sigh.

I am just so bummed right now.

You have no idea.

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Guys, I need to vent a little bit.

Anyone should feel free to jump in and defend WTP. . . .if you can.

I am just pissed off at Bob Schulz and WTP for dropping the ball. . . yet again.

In reading through some WTP documents today, I, sadly, have lost a lot of respect for both Bob Schulz and WTP.

If he was not capable of providing WTP with the leadership it needed, he should have stepped aside and the Board should have found a different Chairman.

I feel as if the the Board of Directors at WTP have not been good and effective stewards. They too have dropped the ball on this by allowing WTP to be in such a weak state and a weak position.

I am one who has been totally committed to the Cause of Freedom and personal Liberty for many years, and in that fight, I had to make decisions that hurt me economically, but I did it anyway because I felt that the Cause is Just and Right and is too important. So I find it very bothersome and take it personal, when a so-called leader of the Tax Honesty Movement makes public, careless missteps. But it bothers me more when they make the same mistakes over and over and over.

A set-back for the THM is also a set-back for me personally, so I want WTP and Bob Schulz to succeed, but I have to tell you, it ain't looking good for WTP.

Yes, they are under attack by the IRS, but the truth is, WTP willingly put itself in the “kill zone”, by requesting and obtaining IRS 501 tax exempt status. So, Bob is griping now that WTP is being audited. Well, what in the heck did you expect Bob?

What is worse, is that in Bob Schulz' recent writings, he appears to act surpirsed that WTP is being audited at all. WTF is up with that?

A good leader and CEO would have already planned for this IRS audit 5 years ago.

I am just so disgusted right now.

I just now noticed that the WTP Forums, in which neither Mark Lane nor Bob Schulz ever posted, are no longer in these Forums.

Ahh well, it is just as well I guess, since those two guys never answered a single question or inquiry or any of the “petitions” from the Fam Guardian posters. Gotta love the irony in that.

They could have used this Forum for outreach and education and no doubt would have found many of us supporting them financially, had they only showed up and actually replied to our genuine questions and concerns, instead of rudely ignoring all of us. And this was WTP in action?! WTF? It never sat well with me that WTP ignored these Forums. Now I know why, Bob was too busy NOT fund raising.

Then I read this morning where Bob admitted that he has never been focused on fund raising. Are you freaking kidding me? How in the world can one expect to run a not-for-profit foundation and not have an Action Plan to locate potential donors!!! And all this time I simply thought that WTP and Bob Schulz just sucked at fund raising, and now I learn today that Bob actually never gave it any thought. Man, this is simply unreal!

What kind of CEO is inattentive and neglects such an important component of his job like Schulz appears to have done with the non-existent WTP fund raising operation? And where in the world was the over sight of the WTP Board?

Is it any surprise that WTP, by their own admission, appear to be in such dire financial straits? I think not.

Sigh, This is very sad. I am venting here so bear with me.

Anyway, on one level I think it is admirable and great that WTP and Bob Schulz are fighting so valiently and pushing back against the IRS and the US Government. Kudos for all of your hard work. 'Preciate it.

But on a different level, I am sitting here scratching my head and wondering why do so many of the legal documents prepared by and on behalf of WTP, consistently contains stupid, preventable errors?

On this score I want to talk about the WTP IRS form 990, however, first, on a more basic level, for the life of me I have never been able to figure out why WTP and the WTP Congress, formed to promote and protect unalienable and Constitutional Rights, and who had as their major positioning strategy to oppose the tyranny wrought by the IRS, — why in the world did Bob Schulz and WTP file an application with the IRS requesting 501 (c ) 3 or 4 Foundation tax exempt status? Why?

Didn't Bob Schulz know that one can incorporate and form a Foundation and a non profit firm, WITHOUT getting the approval of the IRS?

Further, I have long been lost in the irony that on WTP web site it encourages folks to donate and says that your donations are tax deductable? But if I am an ardent WTP supporter and already a nontaxpayer, how is that statement on the WTP website, going to sit with me when I do not file 1040s? I can only imagine that Bob and WTP were trying to work both sides of the fence and get $$$ from taxpayers and non-taxpayers alike. That always bothered me. His target audience should have been non-taxpayers, not taxpayers.

HELLO!? Is anyone home at WTP Headquarters?

Regarding the Form 990s, Bob Schulz repeatedly lists his address as being in “NY”.

Now, “NY” is the two letter abbreviation for the federal areas within the New York state. I have to think that Bob understands the elements of jurisdiction and the question is, why be sloppy about something that can so prejudice your legal arguments? It makes no sense.

But it gets far worse.

Next, Bob complains that Burr Deitz, who receives Social Security, had $350 taken from his bank account by the IRS. Uhhh, can someone please explain to Bob the nexus between Social Security and “U.S. source income”.

Then Bob complains that the IRS is placing liens without following “the appropriate procedures spelled out in the Internal Revenue Code”.

Oh my goodness!! Is it too late for Bob Schulz and WTP to take a SEDM refresher course on “IRS Lien and Levy”s!! Is he kidding me!!

Next, in the Emergency Motion, on page 7, Bob is complaining that the IRS is not following the due process procedures in the Internal Revenue Code. Uhhh, no kidding Bob. And here too, he again sloppily and carelessly uses the term “wages”.

In a WTP legal document I read this morning, Bob S. equates “wages” with “salaries” when he wrote “wages and salaries”.

Now, most here know that the term “wages” under the IRC has a specific meaning and definition. Indeed, WTP and Bob Schulz, now in Year 6 or 7 of their fight, should not be preparing legal documents and being so careless with their choice of words. Taxpayers receive “wages”. By contrast, non-resident aliens such as me receive remuneration. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Now, I admit that I kinda was very turned off by WTP when they wasted so much bandwith on Larken Rose and WTP kept extolling the inane 861 thesis when WTP should have known that it was legally deficient and defective.

I never could understand that one and was left wondering whether the IRS infiltrated WTP.

But I digress.

In a Declaration by Bob Schulz, he refers to “federal income tax laws”. Now, I assume he is referring to the Internal Revenue Code, which, BTW, was repealed back on February 10, 1939. The point is, does not Bob Schulz know this basic stuff?

In his pleadings Bob elevates the IRC and refers to it as “law”. Yet one more stupid, preventable mistake by WTP.

Is Bob surrounded by “YES men”? How come WTP keeps making the same mistakes from a legal tactial standpoint?

I mean, I am out here on the front lines fighting and Bob Schulz keeps making mistatements about important legal stuff. WTF is up with that? Who, if anybody, is he getting his advice from? And how come his Declaration is so sloppy and not more precise?

But it gets worse, folks.

Here is more of WTP wisdom, which, if I did not know any better, might have been authored by Larken “861” Rose:

Plaintiffs? Harm: IRS Is Not Following Its Own Law

Another reason for the injunction is the fact that without following its own law, the IRS has been taking Plaintiffs' savings, earnings, retirement and social security payments and placing liens on their homes.

The IRS is doing all this without first preparing and serving a ?substitute for return? (required by 26 U.S.C. ? 6020), without first preparing and serving an ?assessment? (required under ? 6201), without first preparing and serving a ?declaration under the penalties of perjury that the assessment was valid? (required by ? 6065), without first preparing and serving a ?Notice of deficiency? (required by ? 6212), without first preparing and serving a ?notice and demand for tax? (required under ? 6303), without first preparing and serving a ?Notice and opportunity for hearing before levy? (required by ? 6330), without including the statement regarding the ?Authority of the Secretary? (required by ? 6331(a)), without obtaining the approval of the Secretary for a ?continuous levy? (required by ? 6331(h)), without complying with the provision of ? 6331(h)) that prohibits the IRS from attaching more than 15% of the payments due the People each week, and without issuing the People a ?Notice Before Levy? (required by ? 6331(d)), much less a ?Notice before levy 30 days before the levy? (required by ? 6331(d)).

Now, what is so technically and legally wrong about the above is that WTP and Bob Schulz, by citing IRC sections in the manner that they have, elevate the Code and give it far more standing then the Code deserves. But perhaps worse than that, WTP and Bob Schulz remain oddly silent about the fact that with respect to Subtitle F of the IRC, there are no implementing regulations or the ones that do exist cross reference 27 CFR and not 26 CFR. Gee, is this not an important fact to point out to the Court?

On page 6 he falls into the IRS word trap games and Bob equates WTP plaintiff's with “investors”. Not good.

This is a sad day.

Folks, do not look to WTP to save you or protect your Rights. You have to fight for yourself.

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Sonik, chill man.

Uhh, Checkers, you are confused and seriously mistaken, sir.

Now, I have never lived in Brooklyn, but even if I had, that would not qualify me for much of anything, save for as a possible bed mate for Cher. 😮

One thing is clear, Check-Lite, and that is that so far as your education about federal jurisdiction is concerned, well, let me put it to you this way, ya gots lots, and lots of room for future growth. 😮

I can not believe, sir, that your assertion is true with respect to your claim that you have been fighting the IRS for 8 years, and yet you demonstrate no understanding of such a fundamental subject as “jurisidiction.”

Gosh, if I did not know any better, I would say, Check-Lite, that your style of so-called argument, looks very similiar to the way certain IRS shills over at Q-loser land, argue. Hmmmm. I wonder. . . .

Just because the CIA and other US Government agencies may rent space in a particular building, that does not mean that the entire building automatically becomes a, to use your phrase, “Federal Building”.

For the WTC to have been a Federal Building, in the true sense of that phrase, the US Attorney General would have had to accept Title to same, AFTER the land and building were ceded to the US Government, in writing, by the New York state Legislature. No such event ever occurred.

Therefore, based on the facts and the law, Check-Lite's posts, are, well, I will not claim that they are f r i v o l o u s, because I prefer not to denigrate the essence of frivolity, thus, I will say that they are incorrect and lacking of merit and devoid of substance and. . . . .suspect.

Check-Scam, you can verify this post by reading 40 USC 255 and its successors, 40 USC 3111 and 3112, and then cross referencing to USA Const. Art.1, Sec. 8, Cl 17.

Good luck with your education thingy. 😮

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