I agree with all of it. Don’t accept it, deal with it. Or don’t, but its the reality.

I am powerless over it except in relation to me. And I am not participating in it and doing my best not to play any similar game. Some of it is legal, please dont forget that. But it defintely is a legal vehicle used to illegally ensnare new public officers to generate internal revenue.

Very cool, simple and tricky game. No remedy in it to get out – except to not play in the first place.

Admin,

I stand corrected. It really depends on how one defines “eligible”, and you are correct I am not eligible for a SSN as a US Citizen, as it was given to me. See your document pg. 8 point 4. where you admit that persons can elect to participate in both income tax games and ss games by their voluntary election pursuant to 3402(p)(3), as I stated above.

But if one who is not eligible to get a number requests one from the ssa on ss5 form by electing block 5 election 4 “other” and provides a compelling reason why he wants a number, and such person is not a state, county or city public office, the ssa has discretion whether to allow his request. Nothing illegal there at all – so long as requestor is wholly private individual.

On pg. 9 lines 39-41 of same document the author admits that it is illegal to compel one to participate in the ss games – but this is only true in relation to state and county officers and not private individuals. See Powe v. United States wherein it was held that conspiracies of individuals to deprive another individual of his rights are not within remedial authority of the us government and are matters of state (common law) concern. Same admission that it is illegal to compel use of ss numbers ironically infers that one’s voluntary choice to participate on a purely contractual nature is of course allowed.

I am an American and I can do whatever I want, and so can any other American. It has been held multiple times over that the US Government can partake in purely contractual/business endeavours, and when it does so it waives its sovereign immunity and functions on business terms like all other entities.

I am going to agree with Admin on this one.

I am of the opinion that, just as Neo said, all elections including the U.S. citizen election, are purely of a legal nature and since I am domiciled in Arizona on Arizona land pursuant to Arizona Const. art. 1, sec. 1, and outside U.S.Const. art. 1, sec. 8, cl. 17 and art. 4, sec. 3, cl. 2, I am outside their legislative authority.  The only thing they can legislate for me is a recognition that there are foreign domiciliaries and provide them with a “nonresident” alien status.  A legal alien allowed to work is not what i want to be nor am.  I neither need to be granted a “legal” status, nor “authority” to work – it is my right to work in my country and state.

I equal this to FIFA rules.  Does FIFA prescribe rules for Basketball players?  Obvious answer is no, only for soccer players and only in a proper FIFA setting – their jurisdiction.  So if i am claiming to be a non-soccer player, i cannot invoke a non-existing FIFA rule to make FIFA provide a remedy for Basketball players.  Same logic applies to SSA.  I cannot invoke a non-existing rule for nonresidents to require SSA to provide a remedy for people it does not purport to deal with and CANNOT deal with because outside of their regulatory scope/jurisdiction.

In fact, i am starting to believe that once you join the SSA game, you have to play by their rules, and the closest election on Block 5 that describes a state national and American citizen is in fact U.S. citizen (a legal domiciliary of fed zone).  And since we know that playing the SSA game, or any other government game is completely voluntary, i simply choose not to play.

Also, just like FIFA cannot make a rule that allows basketball players to play soccer, SSA cannot make a rule to allow foreign domiciliaries and nonresidents, or people it has no jurisdiction over, to play its game.  But both FIFA and SSA can allow foreign non-players to join the game and for purposes of their participation in the games consider them a “soccer player” and “SSA player” (one of their legal statuses), for purposes of participating in the games, respectively.

JRish,

YOU ARE a real sovereign – you just need to start acting like one so that others start recognizing you as such.

Stop asking for benefits, advice, and help from anyone and especially from your government.  The more you need the more the world can hurt you.

Read the materials on this and SEDM website.  The more you read the better for you.  If you get stuck with something and cannot get past it, feel free to post a hypothetical question to help you understand the issues that bother you and we will gladly help you understand.   But please start with reading and reading and more reading.  There is so much material here, and honestly, all the questions are answered in these documents.

But as I’ve said, if you get stuck and something just does not make sense, feel free to post in these forums and someone will help you get “unstuck” so that you can keep moving towards retaining your full sovereignty.

What I can give you at this time is the fact that there are 3 characters of sovereignty recognized in American Jurisprudence:

1. a person generally (private individual/sovereignty),

2. the state governments (and their constituents/sovereigns),

3. and the United States (and their constituents/sovereigns). 

Now it is up to you to learn how these three separate and independent (sovereign) entities interact with each other, and what is permitted and what is not.  There are a few rules to keep in mind.  Private sovereigns interact with other private sovereigns through comity, or agreement.  Private individuals interact with their state gov’t through respective state constitutions.  Private individuals interact with the U.S. gov’t through the U.S. Constitution.  The two governments respective spheres of authority are explicitly enumerated and explained in the U.S. Constitution – which is the Supreme Law of the Land. 

Good luck and don’t be timid – liberty is not for the weak or timid. 

Being racist, an asshole and a jerk, and also hating fags is my right protected by the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution – that’s what she should have exclaimed, I know I would have.

Eff the social tolerance bs, I am sick and tired of it.  While the above was a hypothetical “Paula should have said it,” I personally hate fat people, and I do refer to them as fat or obese – depending on their BMI number.  I don’t discriminate really, I dislike all people equally – except for fat people, which are in a league of their own.  It isn’t my fault someone’s fat or obese, and facts don’t cease to exist because it’s not nice to hurt their feelings. 

Bottom line is that if you are black female and 350lbs you are being referred to as “that black obese lady.”  Don’t like it? Cry me a river….get over it….then face the reality.

I, for one, fail to see the connection between a passport and one’s citizenship. Revoking his passport is like revoking one’s driver license – an instrument created or legislated by the agency that grants it and revokes it, if it chooses to do so and is authorized by its policies (code).

As far as I understand, Snowden is still an American citizen, but one without a valid travel document.  What did he expect? I’m just waiting to see how long before he leaves the airport and they take him out with a drone – or render him to some remote island never to be heard from again.

Don,

You’re on the right track.  I just wish to add that form 1040nr will be processed by the Service.  The issue will come down to how information on your 1040nr compares to information received on ‘fraudulent’ and ‘illegally filed’ information returns (such as W-2 or 1099) on you by third parties.  Because there will most likely be a discrepancy with the numbers, the Service will act based on the data it has received on these information returns instead of acting on your statement and declaration under penalty of perjury on the 1040nr. 

The result is that you will be charged a proposed $5,000 frivolous return penalty and most likely the Service will re-assess using their numbers/data.   Therefore, the problem therein lies with the third parties that file these returns and snitch/report on you illegally and fraudulently – given you are not a federal employee and have not submitted a W-4 to your payer.

The Service will not question your residency or form filed – they will question your assessment and numbers however. I have personally received the Service’s acknowledgment of my correct filing for year 2009 wherein they agreed that I overpaid as a nra, but instead of returning the overpayment of $8k+, they redirected it to pay for multiple $5k penalty assessments, including one for year 2009.  So the Service first charged me a penalty for a frivolous filing, then years later when they agreed that my filing was not frivolous and owed me my property, instead of releasing it to me, they used it to pay the 5k penalty for the same year, as well as other penalties.  That should give you an idea of who we are dealing with here.

In my opinion, the name of the game is to stay out of their Matrix.  Get your status corrected with the SSA and don’t use their account number for your private business, and prevent any information returns from being filed on you.  If information returns are filed with the Service, there is no practical way of correcting them because, sometimes, the Service plays by its own rules.  But also remember that they are just doing their job and trying to collect based on info provided to them.

The rest of your post is right on the money.

This may have sounded strange or fiction to me 10 yrs ago but now that I understand how governments function in their corporate capacity, it comes as no surprise.  How else would they function if they weren’t corporations?

The real takeover is done through lobbying and buying the criminals in congress and senate to have government corporations do for them what their corporations are not allowed otherwise.