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The above case has been circulating in the freedom community for over ten years and is FALSE. When are people going to AT LEAST verify the content of a cite by looking up the actual case before they hit the FORWARD button on their email. We as the freedom community are discredited by people who don't research things before passing them on.

EXACTLY THE ABOVE.

I have no idea how much time I have spent verifying sources and quotes that turn out to be false, but it is not an insignificant amount. Verification is an important part of any process whether it is growing vegetables or legal research, but the amount of CRAP that is circulated in the freedom community causes such a bottleneck for anyone educating themselves.

The freedom movement as a whole should hold itself to a higher standard than the government goons that fraudulently imprison the rights and freedoms of the people. They are not only “no better” than the goons, but in many cases worse because they are taking away from the credibility of those that DO exercise diligence and truth.

At least the goons have a real “law” that they can point to, and not just some fake cites that were made up from some guru wannabe, and forwarded on by the lemmings.

One of the issues in a man's “awakening” is the realization that he has been duped by his own actions. He lived his life just taking at face value anything that he was told, and that got him into slavery. Now that he is free, he continues to take what anything in the freedom communities crank out without verification. This is like a dog returning to it's own vomit. It will be worse for him in the end.

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Maybe on page 27 line 11 a consideration should be made regarding a removal of the word “alleged”.

I think there is enough merit in the subject matter without a distracting ratification challenge, even if that challenge is not direct. As that sentence points out,

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11 That both prior to and since the alleged ratification of the 14th Article of

12 Amendment to the united States Constitution in 1868, the People have

13 always had the option to be a constitutional but not statutory United States

14 citizen by right of domicile in one of the several states of the American

15 union, and thus a state Citizen.

so having the word alleged does not add to the strength of the case, but it can take away from the credibility in the public's opinion.

The media and every politician and government employee that depends on the perpetuation of this government de facto scam will try every tactic to slander the plaintiffs and the merits of the case. There is no need to mention fraudulently ratified amendments in this case. That issue can be fought on it's own.

I like the paper.

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Having married a Texan, it breaks my heart to have to say, “Way to go Okies”, however I will make an exception because no in laws are members of FG (that I know of) 😕

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Thank you so much for posting that link, the attachment. I read the document and will check out the site later when I make the time.

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I believe your letter to be an accurate understanding of the code sections that you were referencing in the letter, and your interpretation is in keeping with the SEDM “Includes and Including” document, which is a great memorandum, highly recommended for anyone that has not read it already.

There seems to be almost no end to the trickery that these lawyers go through in order to confuse all these issues. I used to get mad. Now it is more of a “woe to you” type of thing, at least it is this week.

In one of your above posts, JB, there was a reference to the CA code yielding to the Federal definitions. I did find a place where there is something similar, but is hidden in plain sight as well. The Georgia Code is arranged in a way that seems to be simple, but once you take off the first layer, it is not so easy. As an example, the driver's license section is divided up into two sections, one general, one commercial. And the two sections use different definitions for the same terms like driver and motor vehicle.

However, the commercial section says,

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To the extent that this article conflicts with general driver licensing provisions, this article shall prevail. Where this article is silent, the general driver licensing provisions shall apply.

and also,

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The purpose of this article is to implement the federal Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1986, Title XII of Public Law 99-570

The first thing that I noticed was that the commercial article takes precedence over the general where there is conflict, and this is not limited to the definitions section. This would seem to say that ANY difference in any area. Interesting. Of course by default, the only place where the general provisions (all of them in Title 40 Motor Vehicles) would mean anything is when the commercial section is completely silent.

The second thing that I noticed is that the intent of the commercial article is to implement the federal law, so I think that this is a subtle way of stating that the terms used should match the federal law, and that if there is a difference in any part of the state law, the federal law should prevail. That was their “intent”, right? 😉

Anyway, thanks for your input. It keeps me thinking and working at this whole thing.

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I agree with your modification Bing, and thanks to Admin for posting that quote. “Drones and Clones” are what I see, and your assessment of one man pointing his successive generations down the incorrect path is very true, and very biblical as well.

Entire populations and people groups and cultures were punished by God, and even the younger inhabitants of those certain groups. He will visit judgement to the third and fourth generation. He is jealous about his laws.

There is a really good book written by Martin Madan back in the 1700's called “Thelyphthora”. It is either the first or second volume that has a section about God's jealousy regarding His Laws. You can google and read the first book online.

I don't mention the book much because it deals in one section with polygamy from a Biblical perspective and most Christians dismiss the entire book based on his stance. However, the author wrote the book based on the passage of the marriage ACT that had recently happened in England and he lays down an extremely good case for how and why non biblical marriage licensing and regulation ruins women.

He also has great chapters about Christ not being the giver of a new law, etc. He was quite a Godly man and worthy of anyone spending the time to get to know him through his writings.

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I do wonder if sending the last letter would be necessary in that situation. I do believe that if you push at all, the “authorities” push back, and hard. I would not feel the need to “poke the bear” so to speak, but my thoughts on someone responding in a second letter would be for the purpose of being EXTRA clear regarding jurisdiction and what laws or code the man is under.

Anyway, comments appreciated.

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So, if anyone did send a package to a Superior Court Judge, with lots of documentation regarding citizenship/domicile and tax status, along with a cover letter explaining that the purpose was simply to make the Judge aware of that status because it is so rare, then the Judge might send a letter back that stated something like this;

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Dear Mr. XXXXXXX:

I received your letter, XXXXXXXXX, as well as the accompanying documents. It does not appear that these documents require any action on my part.

Ordinarily, when someone brings a suit or petition it is filed with the clerk’s office of the appropriate county. It is not the function of the Judge to maintain records and we will discard the letter, petition and accompanying documents.

Signed in blue by the Chief Judge of the Superior Courts, blah blah blah.

I would not mind receiving a letter like that, especially signed in blue ink and acknowledging receipt of the documents, not that it would matter since I would have sent it certified mail with return receipt and had a notary jurat on the mail server as well. At least I would have another type of paperwork evidence in case any rogue public officer tried to drag me into court for child support, driving without a license, or any of that crazy stuff that “Citizens” might get in trouble for doing without their “licenses”. Weird lives that those Citizens live, NO?. Begging for benefits that could be theirs for free, I will never understand those types. Oh well. 😮

If I felt the need to respond, I might send back a letter saying something like this;

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The Honorable Rxxxxxx W. Sxxxx, Chief Judge

Thank you for your timely response to my letter and documents. I apologize for not being clear as to the reason for sending them to you in your official capacity. Please allow me to clarify.

The purpose was to notify you as the Chief Judge concerning my citizenship/domicile and tax status. I felt this was necessary in order to protect myself against any unlawful action by any public officer that would try to enforce statutory code against me due to ignorance of the law, or due to a willful disregard for the law. It has been my experience that any man moving about the common ways in his personal conveyance is normally stopped, arrested, fined, imprisoned, or otherwise, due to the assumption that he is a statutory citizen, and therefore subject to motor vehicle code, registration, insurance requirements, subject to family courts and codes, and any and all other statutory regulations that are intended for “persons”.

I sent the information to you to avoid any misunderstanding about my legal and lawful status regarding any action taken against me by any public officer or by the STATE OF XXXXXXX. If there are any actions brought before the court, I now know that you and I are in full and complete understanding that I am not only not subject to statutory code, but I am also not within the jurisdiction of the XXXXXXXX Judicial District, as clarified in the documents that you received.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I trust that this concludes our correspondence and that any action taken against Pxxxx xxxx will only be allowed under common law, and that any action taken against XXXX XXXX XXXXX SSN# xxx-xx-xxxx will not be associated with me as a flesh and blood man on the land.

Thank you,

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Back to your original question;

I have never sought legal remedy in state court, however I did start to look around to see what I would be able to come up with in Georgia.

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State Court

The state court system in Georgia was established by a 1970 legislative act that designated certain existing countywide courts of limited jurisdiction as state courts. State courts may exercise jurisdiction over all misdemeanor violations, including traffic cases, and all civil actions, regardless of the amount claimed, unless the superior court has exclusive jurisdiction.

State courts are authorized to have hearings on applications for an issuance of search and arrest warrants and to have preliminary hearings. The Georgia Constitution grants state courts authority to review lower court decisions as provided by statute.

The General Assembly creates state courts by local legislation. Legislation also establishes the number of judges and whether the judges are to be full or part-time. Part-time judges may practice law, except in their own courts.

I had a busy weekend, so I have not dug much further, but anytime a court was established by legislative act, my skepticism is on high alert. The quote does say that the state court here has jurisdiction over (sorry, “may excercise”) civil actions.

It seems like any court that has to be established through legislative fiat, then be granted authority through a blanket constitutional amendment is crap. The constitution in Georgia has been revised by committee several times, which in itself is crap as well IMHO.

Anyway, continue to let me know what is happening, I am interested in this situation.

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I am not offering advice, just simply blabbering about things I have no idea about. But if the issue is driving or etc., when or if an affadavit is sent to Motor Vehicles, etc., or any agency, then including in the affadavit a small letter that they can use as a template for giving you a “don't mess with this guy, he is not subject, not exempt” letter to show to cops could be useful.

When the affidavit is sent, and they don't respond and therefore default, the subsequent default judgement can be carried with you and shown to any officer. I am NOT saying that the letter is binding, but just as the “powers that be” rely on enforcement that does NOT know the law, we can rely on them to fall into the pit that they have dug by allowing the officers to believe that the judgement validates the template letter that we sent to the agency, even if it is just an included part of the documentation in the default. It would be important to make the letter look as official as possible, but without violating any law, and it would be also be adviseable to be very careful about any words and terms used in any encounters with Law Enforcement.

I personally would not say

“This is the not subject letter”

but I might say

“I have a judgement regarding me being subject to xxxx code, would you like to read the entire document?”

“Do you have any questions officer?”

Just something to throw out there for discussion, nothing more.

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I would add to the above comments that if I were in a situation like that, I would take any effort that I were going to make and redirect it toward filing a petition in state court as a “state national” that would attempt to get the court to recognize my status and even ask the judge for a judicial order of some kind that stated what my status was and that I was not subject to statute law. I am not saying it will work, but you have about as good of a chance as winning against the cops.

If you go to court and lose, you are fair game for any and all law enforcement(in their eyes) as an easy prey that satisfies their need for harassing people. If you lose, it won't stop them from harassing you, or their buddies from driving by your house at night flashing lights and sounding the siren. Don't ask me how I know this.

If it were me, I would save my time and money and go ABOVE them to get remedy. No cop is going to want to go up against a judges order, and neither will the police chief or sheriff or state patrol, IMHO. They only respect authority and force, so speak their language and go to their authority and provider of force. Going to court is not speaking their language, it is entering into their battle.

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Thanks again, JB. I greatly appreciate your comments. I am going to chew on your last post and get it digested.

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I will pray for you PGB and your path to wisdom and freedom. I know that at times I get very frustrated and burned out, especially when I explain things to people and they understand, and still just follow the beast policy. It can be devastating at times. But God is good, and He provides wisdom when we seek it out, and ask Him for it.

Have you exhaused all the methods mentioned on this and other sites?

I personally have no ID, and have not for a LONG time. I work for myself but do take checks from customers. I have them make it out to CASH or BEARER and there is no problem as long as you plan to be at the bank while they verify the check is legit with the signer.

I have also signed checks over to a family member and they deposit the check and get the cash later.

Passports attained with no SSN are accepted as identification. Do you have one of those?

There are many ways and things to do to get some of those FR notes if you can find the work. Many places still cash checks for a fee with no ID. You will get nailed on the fee sometimes, but if you go to that type of place and explain what you are and why you need the service, you can usually strike up a deal with them to give you a discount if you go to them regularly for your check cashing services. It also helps if the checks you present are from the same party, such as an business that you do things with regularly. You can offer to let them hold the check until it clears the first few times, and after that, they are happy to cash your check because everytime you walk through the door, you represent another five or ten bucks to them for about one minute of time.

As far as living and supporting a family…

This path is not the normal path, it is definately OUTSIDE the matrix. I will give you one example of a man that I know that has lived this way for not a short time, and how he provides.

He prayed and told God that he would follow this path even if he starved to death and his family became destitute. He had a business, property, 5 children, cars, and many material things. He made over six figures a year. He walked from ALL OF IT and disconnected from the system. He sold everything and paid off everything, taking losses and left with nothing. His family and friends did not understand, and those that did were not willing to do the same thing for freedom. He was not alone, he had God. By God's grace, he had a family member with rental properties that had horrible experiences keeping renters and maintaining the buildings. The man offered to handle the building upkeep and cleaning etc. in exchange for free rent in one of the houses. The house has a small acre that the family uses to grow most of their own food. The man started asking all friends and family if they needed work done, no matter how small, and they had to pay cash. And God provided all that and more.

He now does house trim and cabinet work, and landscaping and mowing as well. He has so few expenses, and the family does so much for themselves that they do not need much AT ALL. I tell them that they are very self sufficient, and he tells me no, they are God sufficient. They buy clunkers for when the cops tow them for no registration, and he thinks eventually the cops are just going to lose interest. He just goes and buys them back from the tow company for a couple hundred bucks, more than they are worth at auction or scrap.

You would be amazed at the work that you can find, and the free stuff that you can get just by asking around. I prayed about this stuff some years ago, the ability to be more independent and self reliant(not buying much at stores). We started asking around with the older generation about any extra garden stuff that they had, or if they needed someone to pick the produce for them and share a portion of it for the labor. I have been given a car, just for asking. Fencing, chicken pens, chickens, 20 gallons of blueberries just for trimming the driveway of an elderly couple. It goes on and on.

And they let us pick 6 bushels of apples from their trees as well. Most of them like seeing the stuff be used by a thankful party. There is one older man that calls us every week during harvest and tells us to come and pick from the garden. He and his wife like to see my kids.

I helped the dairy by building a vanity for the owner and a new outbuilding for retail milk sales, and got credit for the hours I worked against milk for the year. He also gives us all the free organic manure we want, simply because we asked.

God provides, it really is amazing when He starts to kick it into gear. I am sorry for rambling, I have been a bit down lately about some things and reading your post made me realize that I am not the only one that gets frustrated. I am not bragging about this stuff, it really is from God. It has nothing to do with me. Once you start associating yourself with others that are not very much INSIDE the system, you can find a great support group and lots of opportunity.

As I said, I will pray for you. My Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills, let's see if he herds some of them your way, in the form of wisdom and FR Notes.

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§ 19-2-2. Election between two or more domiciles; domicile of transients

(a) If a person resides indifferently at two or more places in this state, the person shall have the privilege of electing which of such places shall be his domicile. If the election is made known generally among those with whom the person transacts business in this state, the place chosen shall be the person's domicile. If no such election is made or if an election is made but is not generally known among those with whom the person transacts business in this state, third persons may treat any one of the places in which the person resides as his domicile and it shall be so held; and in all such cases a person who habitually resides a portion of the year in one county and another portion of the year in another shall be deemed a resident of both, so far as to subject him to actions in either for contracts made or torts committed in such county.

(:cool: Transient persons whose business or pleasure causes a frequent change of residence and who have no family permanently residing at one place in this state shall be deemed, as to third persons, to be domiciled at such place as they at the time temporarily occupy.

This is also interesting and worthy of study. There is a blatant admission that domicile is a choice.

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Also, along the lines of the State codes admitting to the Federal Law trumping their definitions, Georgia does have the same thing, only they disguise it more subversively.

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O.C.G.A. § 40-5-21

GEORGIA CODE

Copyright 2011 by The State of Georgia

All rights reserved.

*** Current Through the 2010 Regular Session ***

*** Annotations Current Through October 29, 2010 ***

TITLE 40. MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC

CHAPTER 5. DRIVERS' LICENSES

ARTICLE 2. ISSUANCE, EXPIRATION, AND RENEWAL OF LICENSES

O.C.G.A. § 40-5-21 (2011)

§ 40-5-21. Exemptions generally

(a) Except as provided in Article 7 of this chapter, the “Uniform Commercial Driver's License Act,” the following persons are exempt from licenses under this chapter:

The exemptions listed in chapter 5 are a dead end, but Article 7, which is for commercial vehicles, is where the anomaly is found.

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O.C.G.A. § 40-5-141

GEORGIA CODE

Copyright 2011 by The State of Georgia

All rights reserved.

*** Current Through the 2010 Regular Session ***

*** Annotations Current Through October 29, 2010 ***

TITLE 40. MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC

CHAPTER 5. DRIVERS' LICENSES

ARTICLE 7. COMMERCIAL DRIVERS' LICENSES

O.C.G.A. § 40-5-141 (2011)

§ 40-5-141. Purpose and applicability of article; liberal construction

The purpose of this article is to implement the federal Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1986, Title XII of Public Law 99-570, and reduce or prevent commercial motor vehicle accidents, fatalities, and injuries by permitting commercial drivers to hold only one license; disqualifying commercial drivers who have committed certain criminal or other offenses or serious traffic violations; and strengthening commercial driver licensing and testing standards. This article is a remedial law and shall be liberally construed to promote the public health, safety, and welfare. To the extent that this article conflicts with general driver licensing provisions, this article shall prevail. Where this article is silent, the general driver licensing provisions shall apply.

It would seem to me that the last two sentences are saying that the commercial section of the code, which is in reality Federal, takes precedence over the general section, which is the same garbage as what JB posted about CA, just in a different colored trash bag.

Any comments about my understanding of this are much appreciated.