Hey Charles,

Welcome. You've certainly come to the right place, but you've got a long way to go from here.

Before you do anything to bring attention to yourself from the likes of the I.R.S., or any other entity you choose to avoid, try abstinence; that, simply means, just don't file anything. It has worked wonders for me for many years now, and it also happens to be a rule of law. This suggestion is by no means conclusive evidence that they'll leave you alone, but it has served well for others of my acquaintance as well. The rule is: if you don't “make” a contract, there can be no enforcement of a contract that does not exist. That's just one way of stating the rule, but it's validity doesn't depend on how it's stated, and it's been stated many times in the courtrooms of this nation. The reason it remains effective is because, if it, or any other basic principle of law, were to be abandoned, then all the other fundamentals of law would also have to be considered as ineffectual. And that, it is highly doubtful, a judge would be willing to admit in any case, at least not while being “on the record”.

It's just another option to start with, but since you've decided, or been coerced or forced, to begin, ya better get busy.

Grace and peace,

Lambskin

Hey Layed,

That's great, but don't completely discount what the Binger has said; you need to let these guys know where you stand, on your Land yes, but that's not wholely enough. You need to create some evidence to provide to the court (that's where you're at – in their court), whether you should be asked to produce it, or whether you've gotta request them to take judicial notice of it on your own behalf. Either way it won't hurt to have some additional ammo in your arsenal; get disconnected from the Corporation a.s.a.p. and let 'em know you've done so.

Also, skip the lien on the agent, at least for now, or as long as you think you can possibly avoid using one; they're not received by these guys any more pleasantly than you've received yours and can potentially do you more harm than good. Besides, you'd only be working within a realm of bogus, unlawful, unconstitutional, statutory realm of debt paper, and that, for one, is precisely what you're trying to take yourself out of. What's more, it'll never stand in court because the funds you think you'd be liening, (the agent's funds) will never be recognized as his. These guys have got more statutory “aces” up their sleeve than you could possibly shake a stick at and they use 'em (when they can find 'em – and find 'em they will) proficiently.

If you feel you're running out of time, or capital, then P.M. Bing, Author II, Sonik, myself or anybody on this site or anywhere else you feel somebody would be able to help you. I'd never recommend anyone try to tackle the Beast alone, that's suicide; take as much assistance as you can get because there IS strength in weakness, and above all else, pray to your Almighty Savior.

G&P,

Lambskin

Hey Layed,

Yep, sounds exactly like their s.o.p., they'll run ya broke if you let 'em get away with it.

Don't try to tackle these guys in court, either in person or by filing any answers or motions; just send them (the IRS – not the court) a registered letter (that's Registered.. not Certified mail and keep copies of everything you send/get – to/from them) and tell them you choose not to acknowledge their presence until they obey the law. Word the letter any way you choose, but make sure you speak non-offensively and make sure you include some language that lets 'em know that you're aware of the fact that you have a right to avoid their trespasses against you and that you're going to avail yourself of that right for the time being.

Then start workin' on the credit reporting agency by sending them a registered letter (yes they cost about $10 a pop, but it's still cheaper – and safer – than goin' into a courtroom with/without an attorney) and demand that they provide you with the verified “proof” that they've obtained from the IRS that the lien is valid. Not the copies of the documents that the reporting agency might have received from the IRS that simply say “We want you to put this lien in this guy's credit file.” or just a copy of the recorded lien from the public record (those don't contain the necessary “proof”), but copies of the documents that the IRS is required to send to them that prove that the lien is lawfully valid (such as a “court ordered” lien signed by a lawfully seated “magistrate” from the county in which the liened property lies). If the reporting agency can't supply you with anything that the IRS has used to substantiate their claim to the reporting agency, then they can't legally put it in the file they have on you.

Now, since I've been through this a couple of times with C.R.A.'s, I can tell you that thier first response is gonna come back with some kinda fluffy answer; don't accept this as any kind of legitimate determination on thier part, they're required by law (they're a licensed company) to prove to you that they've made a diligent effort to verify the the lawfullness of the IRS's request and that they're in possession of the fruits of that effort, if they're not, it's deletion time.

Well… that's what they're supposed to do anyway, but they wont. So, your next letter will state that you've reported them (the C.R.A.) to the FTC (which you must, and will, do) and have asked them to open an investigation on them. Now, this'll come as no supprise or deterent to them. They go through this stuff all the time and will do everything they can to prolong the your misery as long as they can; this is, in fact, how they earn thier FRN's is it not? So you'll hafta get used to the fact that this is gonna take awhile.

Of course you'll still be gettin' love letters from various dept.s of Corp. US as this moves along, but those need to be handled differently (see my response to your “jurisdiction” post at http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=723 ).

Proceed with caution my friend and you'll do fine. If ya wanna P.M. me about more of this, I'd be glad to help you along. It seemed to me, by you're comments in the US v Killiher post, that you're from my neck of the woods (I'm in Chicagoland) so it might be easier to correspond with you than it's been with some of the others I've had to pilot through this morass.

Now, I can just state for the record that this invitation might receive immediate rebuttal from certain fans of mine, but if you're a fairly level headed individual, then you'd put out the welcome mat and consider the opportunity to learn a lil' somethin' and be glad for the assistance and not immediately put up a wall of defense. I know most people'd at least come to the door to see who's knockin' before they'd open it and shoot.

G&P,

Lambskin

Hey All,

Let me first address the issue of the “Trust” as it is to be conferred upon the man or woman who chooses to partake of its virtues. The type of “Trust” to which I am referring is not – I repeat, is not – subject to any statutory infringement of any sort and, if it structured correctly, all members are non-discoverable. This is why I specifically asked Toto to contact me personally via PM, so that there would be no interference from those who (as Checkmate has admitted) have no in depth knowledge of the subject matter.

Secondly, there is the matter of the aforementioned admission. If you don't know what you're talking about, then mind your own business or state your understanding in more detail; for I never said that a SSN was involved in any way or that such a “Trust” would traverse into the statutory realm whatsoever.

Thirdly, as far as my status as a “spy” is concerned, I would again like to extend the offer of an opportunity to anyone who would choose to see me as such. Please present substantial evidence to prove your case. If you have no evidence to support your claim, then kindly remain silent.

And lastly, for those of you who may be unaware of the “spy” and/or “fraud” issue as Sonik likes to bring to the forefront upon any of my posts; please disregard his assessments until you have had the opportunity to communicate with me directly. I choose not to speak too openly on this forum, when it comes to character assassination, because we have been asked not to do so.

G&P,

Lambskin

Hey Layed,

Excellent!

Now, know this. Government, whether local, state or federal, doesn't make the rules or laws for the People, they only make rules for themselves.

G&P,

Lambskin

Bing,

You da man!

That was absolutely the funniest thing I've heard this month… I literally damn near pissed my pants and had to get up and leave my screen to dry my eyes!

What an idiot!! How in-the-name-of-God does he think that's gonna fly? Oh yeah, I forgot – he'd be takin' 'em into one of their administrative courts.

These guys just get better all the time.

G&P,

Lambskin

Hey Bing,

Amen there Binger. It's all a matter of contract and jurisdiction. The people contract with the City, County or State “Corporations”; who then contract with the Federal Corporation; who then contracts with the Federal Reserve; who then sends a notice to collect to the IRS; who then sends a notice to capture and prosecute back to any other given alphabet-soup enforcement agency; who then brings 'em into the Admiralty courts , who then tricks or deceives 'em into granting/waiving jurisdiction and then convicts 'em and then its off to slammer under a formalized “bond” and the hypothecation/rehypothecation money-machine starts rakin' in and crankin' out the bogus FRN's under their SDR's.

You'd think a guy like Schiff would've been intelligent enough to elude/avoid/escape such a plight but I suppose if they really want to get ya – they will.

Personally… I'd have used an abatement. It's best if you never enter their jurisdiction.

G&P

Lambskin

Hey Woody,

Which District Director are you referring too? Has this got anything to do with the IRS lawsuit you mentioned back in January? If so, you might want to P.M. Jim Cusack and find out more about the “NFTL Removal Team” he mentioned in the “Seminars and Educational Events” section.

I've never personally taken on the IRS in one of their Administrative settings but it doesn't seem like a good idea for anyone to try and tackle these guys by oneself. I stopped paying income tax quite a few years back and have found, and been informed, that if you simply do not fill out the forms, then there's nothing they can do despite their claim that you have to submit a form to obtain permission from the director to un-volunteer.

Grace and peace,

Lambskin