AmariYah
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This just makes me sooo very sad! Doesn't anyone out there know enough about Prison bonds to file the correct paperwork and send some bonds to satisfy the bond to set Irwin Schiff free??? We are fighting nothing less than organized crime- the real criminals are those who allow this kind of abuse and torture of an aging inmate- regardless of who he is…! 🙁
- Sonik Speed wrote on Jan 29 2006, 12:53 AM:Amariyah – thanks for answering the questions as you have done so in the way I wanted them: SHORT AND SWEET. THANK YOU – THANK YOU! I appreciate your time and conciseness. This is what I need to better understand. Anyway, if I may, I would like to quote you on one particular statement:Quote:1 ) JESUS IS GOD (True or False)? TRUE!
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.”
2 ) GOD IS JESUS (True or False)? TRUE!
“In Him were created all things in heaven and on earth…”
3 ) ALL JEWS ARE CHRISTIANS (True or False)? FALSE!
Many Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah.
4 ) ALL CHRISTIANS ARE JEWS (True or False)? FALSE!
Certianly not all Christians are Jews except by very creative exegesis.
5 ) THE BIBLE IS 100% RIGHT IN EVERYTHING IT TALKS ABOUT (True or False) YES & NO * so FALSE!? From a logical analytical point of view there are grammatical and clerical errors with some of the Bible texts.? Mainly due to mistakes made in the transaltion process, however the signature of God Almight is consistent throughout the Old and New Testament.? God's character and heart are both contained and revealed in the Holy scriptures.? So, IMHO the Bible is 100% God's word… does that mean it is 100% “right” in everything it talks about? No, because some of the things “it” talks about are quotes of people who lied, manipulated and deceived, or as we see in Job, where some of Jobs friends are presuming what God's perspective might be- needless to say they were wrong in their presumptions!
6 ) FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT? WHAT IS THIS?? THIS IS A VERY BASIC CONCEPT OF THE TRIUNE CREATOR GOD IN THIS UNIVERSE.? THREE FACETS OF ONE BEING, THREE PERSONALITIES OF WHOLLY UNITED ELOHIM LORD. OUR GOD IS A THREE PART BEING!? Even the origianl Hebrew word used in Genesis for God “Elohim” is plural and not singular!
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MY RESPONSES:
1 – If you are claiming Jesus is God, then let me ask a few more followups. Why does Jesus refer to “someone” or “something” as the “Heavenly Father”? Does it suffice to say that He is talking to himself? Jesus also says: “Give God what belongs to God and Caesar what belongs to Caesar.” – Is God and Jesus synonymous in this statement?
No! Although I believe that Jesus is God in the sense that he and the Father are one… And I believe that Jesus is the Creator of this world, nevertheless I also believe that “God the Father” is another personality. And yet they remain one- something which our puny human minds cannot comprehend.
2 – If God is Jesus, then does this answer of yours not contradict some observations made by some other folks on this posting? Some say that he is NOT GOD, but you say He is God. Both posters, are Christian I am guessing. Therefore, would this mean that there is no “ONE COLLECTIVE FOOT” in Christianity regarding whether Jesus is God or God is Jesus? Please comment…
Yes sir, you are quite correct in your observation!
3 -& 4 – You answer that not all Jews are Christians and/or not all Christians are Jews. If this is the case, then may I kindly ask you to comment as to why both Christians and Jews cite the same Book?
They both cite the books of the Old Testament only because Christians accept it is the authoritative word of Almighty God. Jews on the other hand do not accept the New Testament book to be inspired by God.
5 – You go onto say that from a logical analytical point of view there are grammatical and clerical errors with some of the Bible texts. Mainly due to mistakes made in the transaltion process, however the signature of God Almight is consistent throughout the Old and New Testament. MY QUESTION (Subject to Rebuttal) THEN IS THIS – Are these “grammatical errors” or “translation” mistakes are, what they are, because of the reason that MONKS (in the Medievel Era) wrote and translated the Bible incorrectly? Keep in mind that – All what these Monks did during those days, was drink alcohol and translate all day. I am not kidding.[PLEASE NOTE AND I WANT TO EXTREMELY EMPHASIZE THAT I do not wish to denigrate any group here. I am just echoing what I have been taught in a private school education]
I believe it is very possible tht that is the case! Some of the errors in translation such as in the KJV occured because of a misunderstanding of certain words or perhaps even the lack of appropriate word in the english language for certain concepts. The only thing which is coming to mind immediately is that quite often we see the word “corn” used in the KJV. While historically we know that there was no actual “corn” in the Old world since it was exclusively a New World grain.
6 – This answer is most interesting. Let me requote you:
Quote:THIS IS A VERY BASIC CONCEPT OF THE TRIUNE CREATOR GOD IN THIS UNIVERSE.? THREE FACETS OF ONE BEING, THREE PERSONALITIES OF WHOLLY UNITED ELOHIM LORD. OUR GOD IS A THREE PART BEING!? Even the origianl Hebrew word used in Genesis for God “Elohim” is plural and not singular!Ok – I am really stupid then, because I still think that this is a copyright of polytheism. Based on your statements, I can only reasonably conclude that you are taking God, and you are literally FRACTION-izing Him. Really, this is what you are doing. 1/3 God, 1/3 Jesus and 1/3 HS. God is not fractions – God is ONE and the Most Powerful. Secondly, your answer for #6 somewhat conflicts your answers in #1 and #2. I am just trying to use basic logic here. I am using basic logic, because this belief system is not the Internal Revenue Code nor is it Void for Vagueness. Beliefs systems are to be SIMPLE. In questions #1 and #2 you answer that God is Jesus and Jesus is God, but yet in question #6 you state that there are “Three facets” or “three personalities”. But how is this so when we already established that God is Jesus and Jesus is God. Would then this not make the “Triune” God or (g)ods in two a Bi-lateral God or (g)ods, since 2 of the 3 are alrady the same?
That my friend is a tough question to field. And I can only answer honestly that my belief in the triune nature of God, who is 3 in 1, and who although entirely united withing “themself” they also exhibit 3 distinct personalities, is based entirely upon faith and my study of the holy scriptures. And as stated above I do believe that this is one of the great mysteries of the Christian faith akin to the mystery of how husband and wife become 1 after marriage. These are things which are nearly imposible for the human mind to process much less comprehend!
Once again – this forum is a forum of peaceful interaction and information exchange. Under no circumstance am I being “verbally aggressive” to a group. I just enjoy speaking about these things here, as oppose to in the liberal public who have no interest in such discussions.
Thank you!
Sonik Speed
[post=”2169″][/post]No, Thank you Sonik! 😀
Dear Sonic,
I will eventually get to your detailed reply to my answer of your inquiries. Unfortuantely I don't have much time to be online right now, and I also have to be to work in an hour. I did however want to acknowledge you and say I am looking foreward to continuing discussion on this topic.
Sincerely Amariah 😉
- Sonik Speed wrote on Jan 17 2006, 07:28 PM:Ok so I guess you can consider this forum topic as “petitioning for redress” regarding the Christian religion.
Because this forum has some of the most fascinating minds that I know of, I believe talking about religion here would not only be educational, but also I can feel more comfortable talking to people here. The only reason why I say this is because it is so “offensive” to talk about religion with people these days. I do not like that – I want to talk about religion. Again, while I know for a fact that this forum has some terrific minds on this subject, I wish to INTERACT through forum conversations rather than read about the pamphlets that were prepared by SEDM or FAMGUARDIAN. Forum discussion are more interactive and there is always a record of what has been intereacted.
Anyway, if you consider yourself a follower God, then please answer these questions. Once answers are given, then I wish to follow up with your answers. True or False would be fine. If you however believe a True or False statement is impossible, then please be specific on why. Remember, I am asking for your opinions, supported through facts.
1 ) JESUS IS GOD (True or False) TRUE!
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.”
2 ) GOD IS JESUS (True or False) TRUE!
“In Him were created all things in heaven and on earth…”
3 ) ALL JEWS ARE CHRISTIANS (True or False) FALSE!
Many Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah.
4 ) ALL CHRISTIANS ARE JEWS (True or False) FALSE!
Certianly not all Christians are Jews except by very creative exegesis.
5 ) THE BIBLE IS 100% RIGHT IN EVERYTHING IT TALKS ABOUT (True or False) YES & NO * so FALSE! From a logical analytical point of view there are grammatical and clerical errors with some of the Bible texts. Mainly due to mistakes made in the transaltion process, however the signature of God Almight is consistent throughout the Old and New Testament. God's character and heart are both contained and revealed in the Holy scriptures. So, IMHO the Bible is 100% God's word… does that mean it is 100% “right” in everything it talks about? No, because some of the things “it” talks about are quotes of people who lied, manipulated and deceived, or as we see in Job, where some of Jobs friends are presuming what God's perspective might be– needless to say they were wrong in their presumptions!
6 ) FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT? WHAT IS THIS? THIS IS A VERY BASIC CONCEPT OF THE TRIUNE CREATOR GOD IN THIS UNIVERSE. THREE FACETS OF ONE BEING, THREE PERSONALITIES OF WHOLLY UNITED ELOHIM LORD. OUR GOD IS A THREE PART BEING! Even the origianl Hebrew word used in Genesis for God “Elohim” is plural and not singular!
That should be fine for now. I guess when a few people answer these questions, then I can do a follow up. Again, there is no deception here. If you think the question shoulld be worded differently, then please state so…
Sonik Speed
[post=”2089″][/post]KAVOD ELOHIM = GLORY to GOD MAY HE/SHE MAKE HIS/HER FACE TO SHINE UPON YOU AND GIVE YOU PEACE!
Amariah
Wow! Some of you guys seem awfully quick to judge and suspect Apostle and Lambskin??? Let me first clarify that I am not defending them because I don't know any more about them than I know about any of the reat of you, However from what I have read here and on a couple of other threads I don't get any clear indications that that guys are either IRS moles or lying fraud's. Perhaps I am just naive or too forgiving but I think that maybe we should lighten up… especially in this thread? Let me see if I can bring it back on topic…
I will tell him about this forum! Perhaps he will give us some deeper insight?
- BOBT12 wrote on Jun 27 2005, 05:29 PM:Are we are on our way to (Censored) in a handbasket, and if so, these will likely be our boarding passes? Please see this artical PATRIOT ACT AND REAL ID: FAREWELL TO LIBERTY by Nancy Levant:Quote:The Patriot Act, which should be called The Communists? Act, gives our government the power to search without warrants or court orders. It gives our government the right to use ?administrative subpoenas,? which allow for the seizure of personal information, including, but not limited to, educational records, medical records, credit and banking records, Internet records, library records, on and on. Farewell, 4th Amendment.
This seizure of information can be used upon individual people, groups of people, or any associations, clubs, or organizations that disagree with the activities of the government. The Patriot Act allows for a DNA Bank to collect physical information about anyone who is ?suspected? of being a ?terrorist.? Unfortunately for us, the Act also permits American citizens to be classified as ?foreign powers,? which, thanks to the Real ID, allows for our electronic tracking and surveillance…
emphasis added.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Levant/nancy2.htm
[post=”1571″][/post]Well that settles it- No Real ID for me!
- Sonik Speed wrote on Jun 28 2005, 11:27 PM:I am so upset that a UCC REDEMPTION forum is now up. This is nothing but garbage and so is the all caps nonsense!
Sonik Speed
[post=”1573″][/post]Please understand this- My good friend who has been studying all of this for 30 years (and who knows a great deal more than I do about all of this sovereignty and tax stuff) is becoming deeply involved with this whole UCC Redemption process. And he is also creating several bonds using both his birth certificate # and the UCC1 to discharge debts. And apparently he and his partners are using these exact same kinds of bonds to actually get people out of prison. He is of coarse reccomending to me that I follow suit and get on board with this approach. And to be honest I am very interested and would certainly like all of the benefits that he claims that are freely and legally available.
I am not so quick to just jump on the band-wagon without doing some research and trying to understand everything for myself. Thus I am here asking some questions from people who obviously know a lot more than I do about all of this stuff!
I do not doubt that you both may be quite correct in your opinions- and I certainly don't want to do anything that might get me into trouble… However, so far I have not gotten enough information or understanding about this process to determine that it is “nothing but garbage”. You seem to feel pretty strongly about this Sonik Speed, perhaps you can educate me a little as to why it is garbage and why it upsets you? If this whole UCC Redemption thing is a bunch of garbage then perhaps our discussions here will not only help me but will help inform others who visit here so that they too will avoid it!
I guess that my first question is about bonds- If we can create bonds that will potentially get people out of prison and pay off excessive unmanageable debts without bankruptcy- by using methods which are apparently legal and which use credit on the private side of society, so that no one is hurt or defrauded, then what are the reasons why I or someone else should not utilize these approaches? (Perhaps some of my assumptions are incorrect- if so then please feel free to correct me!)
Thanks very much for your time and wisdom!
Amariah 😀
I have a good friend who is very involved in this approach but do not understand anything about it myself…
He claims that because the government has taken out a bond in the name of our fiction and because we are sovereign that we have unlimited credit. And can therefore discharge nearly every kind of debt using both the birth certificate # and by filing a UCC1. He has also recommened copyrighting the name of our fiction.
Author #2 has indicated that he has found no basis in law to support this idea and that if one were to attempt to make money out of thin air by creating bills of exchange that it would be the equivalent of securities fraud. (I do not doubt the info provided by Author #2 but I am still curious…)
Has anyone had any experience with these things? Or any first or second-hand stories about others using these concepts? My friend has just recently created a bond to discharge a $150,000 IRS “debt”- I guess we'll see how they respond to this?
- Author #2 wrote on Jun 25 2005, 06:53 PM:Because I have not been able to find any basis in law that authorizes either.? We don't recommend doing anything that can't be defended successfully with evidence and law to a jury.? This site does not entertain patriot mythology, nor concern itself with strictly commercial matters.? The purpose is salvation and disconnecting from the matrix, not making money and especially not securities fraud.[post=”1565″]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]
Hey, I really appreciate your input Admin! I have a friend who has been telling me all about doing these very things, i.e. cancelling debt with bonds and using the birth certificate # and the UCC1. I honestly don't know anything about it at all but his arguments and stories have been very compelling. I will further research the links you have provided to see if I can understand juest exactly how one does use the UCC. It never occured to me that creating bonds might be considered “securities fraud”.
Thanks Amariah
- Author #2 wrote on Jun 23 2005, 07:23 AM:UCC redemption.
WARNING!: We strongly discourage using UCC Redemption as a means to do any of the following:
- Cancel tax debts using Bills of Exchange
- Make money out of thin air.? This is securities fraud
- Using one's “birth certificate” as security for a debt of any kind
Perhaps you can help me out2? Why do you strongly discourage canceling debts with bills of exchange and using one's “birth certificate” number as security for debts?
I am reading the reccomended links you provided but am just beginning to understand this stuff. 🙂 Thanks!
Yes- Mr. Bing! What you are saying sounds very reasonable to me. Although I am a memeber of We The People, it's not like I ever hear from them or anything. And from reading a few of your posts it seems clear to me that you know a lot more about these things than I do.
So perhaps we can get the information as to exactly who is responsible for the oversight of the illegal and criminal organization of the IRS and write them. I guess that we could write our own Congressmen too!
Thanks for your info! 😀
