IRS abuses and indiscretions against men and women are well documented. Every day, lives are ruined in the name of the IRS. Let us be reminded that every year the GAO looks over IRS financial reports and comes to the same basic conclusion… ” IRS did not maintain effective internal controls over financial reporting (including safeguarding of assets) …..serious deficiencies and internal control weaknesses….did not provide reasonable assurance that losses, misstatements, and noncompliance with laws…..lack of a sound financial management system, etc., etc., is also idicative of it's incompetance and illegitimacy. The IRS extracts property from people on the states while refusing to provide truthful fiscal accounting, and does nothing more than shrug their shoulders. They have their hands in everyone's pocket, yet remain accountable to no one.

Now enter an admitted IRS employee, fully vested and participating in the above mentioned schemes, that comments (in this thread) such as:

“He is a coward, a liar and a con man.”

“These people are being given a lot of slack. In MY OPINION: too much”

“You are entitled to your interpretation of the law.”

“These refund recovery suits are only the beginning. Wait for the other shoe”

It becomes evident that IRS employees continue to make conclusions of law, operate under presumptions while ignoring any rebuttals while remaining unaccountable. Whether or AndyK posts to this forum on his own dime or the taxpayer does not matter. His statements here are in keeping with the routine practice of the IRS (see rule 406), and his personal opinions 'probably' accurately mirror those from data clerks all the way to the commissioner. Not only do IRS employees tell you what forms you must submit to satisfy voluntary compliance, but they also insist on HOW they must be submitted, and any contrary assertion of rights is met with a desire to throw the man 'under the jail.' This behavior should NOT BE TOLERATED and evidence that supports and validates these actions must be provided, so bravo, Author # 2, and to you as well, AndyK, for accepting your task.

Now, on to other matters. AndyK first.

Me:

The IRS is now trying to act as if they have first hand knowledge of whether or not Hendrickson received 'wages'. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that they don't.

AndyK:

You owe me a donut. The IRS has copies of forms W-2 and 1099, submitted by the 3rd parties under oath, attesting to the payments to the Hendricksons.

Under rule 602, please explain how the IRS can testify that these 3rd party documents are factual.

Now Sonik. I have read Peter Eric's book. I know what the book says and what it does not say. I have looked over the tax returns he posted to his site. I took the time to read most of the other materials on his site as well. I have not seen where Peter has claimed that payment of federal taxes is voluntary or where he asserts that wages are not income. Can anyone offer proof to support these particulars of the complaint?

Your challenge, Sonik, is to provide said proof (if that is your position), OR prove that my statements regarding the complaint support your 'case' that I am defending Peter Eric against your 'terrorist' accusations. Similarly, if someone called you a 'wimp', I could offer contrary evidence of your posts without defending the content. I do not see the logic in your assumption, nor do I understand why you insist I defend Peter Eric.

Sonic, I know you may know what I'm referring to in the above post, so I'll give you a hint.

You incorrectly presume that I am here to defend Peter Eric when you call him a terrorist. And when I refuse to play with you, I am accused of having my head up my a$$.

You can either command respect or you can demand respect. In my opinion, your choice of words does neither.

Since you have managed to turn this thread into a Pete Hendrickson issue, why don't you contact Pete directly and give him the opportunity to respond to your disparaging comments about his previous behavior, character, motives, etc.

Who knows, maybe he even has close friends within the IRS that can help you land that dream job.

Let's see if I understand this….you contact folks and offer your opinion through facts for the wrongs you have not found? Okaaaaaay.

My double speaking-twisty logic multi-negatives through tautological/non-tautological language brain-thingy can't deal with this.

I give up sir. I'm glad we finally got to the bottom this.

I cannot prove to my neighbor that the world is not flat. He must embark on a 25,000 mile journey to know the truth. I would call such a journey that rather foolish when a reasonable person can make a determination from other available evidence.

The issues of freedom are extremely convoluted at best, and educated and reasonable people look can at the evidence and decide for themselves if they demand more 'proof'.

I have no reason to suspect that my original post is a pack of lies and deceit. I cannot understand it to represent opinion, either.

A few questioins for Sonic:

Do you claim that every statement on this website is uncontestable fact with no further proof required? What about for a first time visitor to this site?

What evidence may I provide to satisfy your definition of 'proof'?

And finally, exactly what is your definition of 'Proof'?

Are you saying you want to see copies of my e-mails?

I think it would be fair for me to e-mail an invitation for Pete to join this discussion.

Fair enough?