In some ways I fully agree with Sonic, to not use is the best way out. The road not taken BUT for those like myself and jdl1962, we were falsely led into this 'agreement' without full knowledge that it was voluntary. Even when I got my first paycheck and looked at the totals and saw that not all of what I had totaled for my hours worked was in… Read more

Hello All,

I have gotten PH's book, have applied it's wisdom and gotten refunds for the years(2) I filed for. Currently requesting refunds from the state(2) since my federal liability is zero.

Now I don't think that I am a “citizen” subject to their code BUT my property was wrongfully or incorrectly taken and I had to use the irs method… Read more

I agree 100% with you about the demolition, the buildings of such height could not have “collapsed” as they claim with some idiot pancake theory. There was the one high rise building in Europe somewhere that burned for like 3 days or something, built very much the same way as the towers and it was still standing!

Also from internet footage… Read more

The irs likes to continue to send the person direct mail in an effort to imho terrorize the person to “come clean”. Not sure what that really means since most people who think and know the laws for what they truly say are clean, it's the irs that has a rep for not being 100% truthful.

Author #2 is right to use a actual letter to give POA and… Read more

I got the book and if the DOJ says that the book is “not wrong” (ie. they won't make a case against PH) then that's good enough for me to believe that it's factual. 😉

When I applied the first time for my passport, I filled in the SSN space as all zero's since it states that a person cannot leave it blank. But the section on the back of the instructions also says that a person 'must' include it 'if they have a federal tax liability'.

Well, since I knew I did not have a federal liability and could not leave… Read more

kewl, but did you apply for your passport using a SSN?

I tried to apply without supplying a socialist number and got letters asking for more and more information even after I supplied names and addresses for brothers and sisters, they had a copy of by certified BC as well as copies of my drivers lic., photo from high school yearbook,..

My… Read more

Indeed true, they as it seem are in the “final throws” of existance where they are trying to put out a forest fire with a squirt gun!

There are enough people out there that will NO longer stand by, if that means we as free American's must defend our land and our country from “foreign and domestic” enemies so let them cast the first stone…

:ph34r:

Tis madness!

I have already written my Congressman and Senators in complete disagreement of any stupid National ID! I have politely informed them that I will not allow myself to be barcoded, implanted or forced to carry and present “my papers”. I also referred them to most suspense movies where the bad guys always had perfectly forged papers,… Read more

Sonic, BRAVO!!

Your letter has given me much food for thought and I think that I shall include in the letter to my Congressman some of the cases and legal points you make. I hope that this is acceptable, I want my letter to have “weight” without bullying the person where hopefully I will get some action. Just hope it's not the kind of “action”… Read more

Yes… I felt much the same when I tried to push my withdrawl of my W-4 thru, where I would get odd statements of this or that section and when I would rebutt them… nothing.. no reponse. When I talked with someone, “for them it was final closure of this issue” they said much the same that I was possibly right but since it's too much of… Read more

Very true and a very sad thing, the new “health bill” that was passed thru the Con-gress was one that would allow the private drug companies to do mental health screenings on all school children. They would then be able to make recommendations to the school board about which kids should be drugged.

I have a nephew that at the beginning of… Read more

Estopped is good, too bad these types of documents don't mean anything to my employer and my issues with withholding. I had thought about maybe looking into a court case but making it “general” so that I would be asking the court to rule on my right to terminate my withholding if i so chose and also have it rule that any employer so accepting… Read more

It is unfortunate about how companies won't listen, how they keep saying “it's what we always do” and the ultimate idiot response “you have to talk to the irs”. I am still amazed at how when you can show them the laws they just don't read the same thing.

My guess about them taking about half your pay is that you are still “getting taxed” on… Read more

JWR, I feel for your situation as I also have been threatened with termination if I pursue my legal rights. Of course this company's HR people could care less who you are or what your problems are. If it's good for the company then you get help, if it's bad then you get written warnings and told “stop or else”.

They pretty much ignore laws… Read more

I agree the problem is attorney's and such within a company that will not listen and just like how they treated the “lock-in” letters they applied to my wages. “It's something they have always do without question, they are just told (by higher un-named people) to act on the letters as though they “had force of law”.

In some ways I would… Read more

I firmly stand but because of ignorance and a “god-like” corporate delusion they believe the point is wasted. They will not accept anything that's controversal because it might “hurt their image”. I have been told that this issue is about the same what they catch monkey's in the Asia's where they use the jar with the rope on it and nuts… Read more

YEAH!!!

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Here's one you may or may not have heard/seen.

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The Internal Revenue sends their auditor (a nasty little man) to audit a synagogue. The auditor is doing all the checks, and then turns to the Rabbi and says, “I noticed that you buy a lot of candles.”

“Yes,” answered the Rabbi.

“Well, Rabbi, what do  you do with the candle… Read more

These are the two cases that made this what it is: Burton had passed away and the thugs were trying to get his stuff, so they fought back. Which everyone unjustly attached should do!

Estate of Burton W. Kanter v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 03-1034,

Ballard v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 03-184.

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I think the key point here… Read more

Good job facing them, you did right to check their commissions and it's amazing how they “think” they have the authority. I have a similar problem with my employment and the withholding, where I have been locked in by a “adminstrative” person who “thinks” that they have authority. From what I have been told “by experts” within the company,… Read more

Yes, guns are back in fashion and it's important to learn how to use and maintain them as well. I myself decided to make a purchase after one morning when an unknown person was attempting to forcefully enter my appartment, although the door was securely deadbolted the person did not get in. They fled after I switched on the outside light and… Read more

yes, Andy's words were amusing. but the UCC 11 taxpayor? Have not heard about that but a search of the net showed it referred to a national information request form.. guess if a person uses that someone else gets the bill ? 😮

wow, lots of information… I had heard that they don't really “add” things to a person's IMF so my guess is they keep it somewhere in a cabinet?

There is amazingly a lot of material that both of you have suggested using/bringing to (jclifton) meeting, a person would think that once the thugs started getting the masses bringing in this… Read more

here's more from Larken:

Dear Subscriber,

I now HAVE the indictment against me. (I assume it's the only one.) It
has NOTHING about conspiracy, or any attempt to “corruptly” interfere with
the tax laws, or tax evasion. It consists entirely of five counts of
“willful failure to file” (26 USC 7203). (I wonder what their excuse will
be now… Read more

Additional,

Today I will speak with a higher HR rep and an expert within the company, they feel that I should have answers to my concerns so that I “will understand”. Of course they also informed me that they spoke to the local HR person and I am sure that he has expressed that “it's okay to give me an answer but nothing will change”… … Read more

Talking about SSN, I filed paperwork to request a passport and when I filled out the form I put all zero's in the place where it asked for an SSN. It stated clearly that a person should provide a number “if they have a federal tax liability”, well I guess since I don't have such a liability and don't have a number I guess it's all zero's in… Read more

Okay, as of 2/16/2005 I have been FORCED into SILENCE. With them giving me a written warning I have been forced to no longer contact anyone within the company about my withholding. I have been “so kindly” locked in by illegal letters from fed and state with NO AUTHORITY. I have been told that if I want to change things I have to contact the… Read more

I like this one line from the linked page:

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B.  Taxpayer – No information is collected from taxpayers.

So, can anyone tell me how they can make a lien or much less anything else when this line clearly says NO info is collected??

I guess it's just “business as usual” for the “irritating robbery squad”…

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Thanks Bing… 😉

Latest news, well with a short email to the CEO of the company. They referred me to someone that was a top level person. I have talked to them over the phone about why I want to control my own withholding, why I want to provide alternative documents (so I don't have to keep submitting new forms every year) and that with this agreement,… Read more

Yes, I agree with your evaluation. I was once talking to an older brother of mine and mentioned how the PAII had passed and how one congressman wrote that thing was opressive. All my brother could say was “don't worry about it, everything will be okay”…

He has little concern about the world around him so long as he can work, eat and live.… Read more

Yes, Americans are getting weaker minded more and more. Just watch the new ads that are on TV for the various tax preparers or software programs where “they do all the work for the person” and they just put in the numbers. With one service you can scratch your card and win up to double your federal refund..

Now it's a contest to see if you… Read more

Yes, Americans are getting weaker minded more and more. Just watch the new ads that are on TV for the various tax preparers or software programs where “they do all the work for the person” and they just put in the numbers. With one service you can scratch your card and win up to double your federal refund..

Now it's a contest to see if you… Read more

Thanks rattler14,

As of this writting I have sent information to a person working with me, I checked today by email to see if they had gotten them and had any questions. I said that I am more than willing to take as much time as it takes to educate people.

As with your one line

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ignorance is bliss

It remindes me of the movie… Read more

Sounds like a good idea to me, I would make sure to get a complete copy of the lien on file so that i have everything they have. maybe even get a statement that says that the copy I have is complete and there are no other documents with it. That way they cannot sneak in a document after the fact and say “see, we have the authority letter… Read more

Good Job! You beat me to the posting but I am just glad it has been posted for all to see….

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Okay, now I am not a lawyer so this IS NOT legal advice but rather my opinion. Since you have already locked yourself inside the jail, if I was doing this action and felt my case was in the wrong venue. I would file a motion to have my case moved to a district court that could better hear my claims of injury upon me. The TC is not some place… Read more

Thanks Bing,

I am trying to do just that. Inform them that my statement is just as effective as a W-4 except that unlike an “exempt W-4” that they would want me to file, it does not expire every Feb. 15. The other thing that is important to teach them is that social security and medicare are voluntary programs for ME! If I choose to no… Read more

Update…

Well, seems asking a person's opinion about answers is not a good thing. I will have a meeting later today where they will “try to get my side of it” as to why I keep asking different people the same questions?

Even though I have a legal right to ask questions, it seems I cannot ask ones that the company feels it has already… Read more

Thanks all for the words of encouragement, I have by this time actually written a nice email to the company CEO. Most people would be like “OMG!! Your toast!” but I did not mention what the subject was only that I had done research, asked if I could do something that was completely legal (but not politically correct) that would have no affect… Read more

I feel much the same way as you do, I have repeatedly ask within my company for a chance to sit down with someone, to show them what I had (facts) that support my position. All I get are evasions and threats. People have no interest in learning something if their jobs are based on it. (again, sorry Author #2) My company will only accept a W-4… Read more

Update,

Recently as I am stuck with the methods available to me, I decided to change my w-4 (sorry Author #2 but they won't accept anything else) and I got a email back that they can change my federal settings but not the state (OR) since I am “locked in”, then they sent me a copy of the letter they got from the state.

I myself got a… Read more

Thanks Bing,

I sometimes think too much and it is good there are people like yourself to help put people like me back on track.

Job well done..

It should be interesting, esp' when the judge asked about the irs putting a disclaimer on the form. The disclaimer indicating that if the person chose to ignore the form that they were free to do so unless the thugs filed court actions later. Then I would just file a motion for verification of jurisdication/motion to quash, since I am not… Read more

Well, unfortunately I am still having money taken where I work. Since the thugs have spoken and the company I work for cares more about image than people, even providing them with all the knowledge in Family Guardian Fellowship's book and they completely ignore it and if I persist they make “threats” about written warnings or further… Read more

yes…. just been away for a while…

I am with you in agreement Common, seems that companies these days will do nothing that might affect the bottom line. If you press too hard then you become a deduction as in “your deducted from the employment”. I can show them sections of code and ask them to read them but like what you posted.

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“unless the IRS tells us otherwise”… Read more

Well, just a few comments…

1) the courts and everyone else (but a few honest people) in government are not going to rule on the fraud because it would be the end of their lives and careers.

2) I believe someone once said that it's the “boiling frog” thing where they are slowly stripping away our freedoms and rights and Constitution just… Read more

On this article I believe that congress shot it down. They were thinking along the same lines as the reporter where people:

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the debt collection industry, filled with cowboys who lie, harass and abuse their targets.

So I think strongly that the thugs won't be getting any help anytime soon, they'll have to do their own… Read more