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  • BOBT12

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    January 24, 2012 at 2:28 am in reply to: Quatloos Challenge, 1/21/2012

    All that these willfully ignorant idiots need to do is look at the Brushaber case. Income is “profit” or “gain”, such as Mr. Brushaber's corporate stockholding's “gain” or “income”. Compensation, or wages, may be “sources” of such gain, however, they aren't “income” themselves. This is abundantly clear from every Supreme Court case that has dealt with the issue.

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    “Among these unalienable rights, as proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence is the right of men to pursue their happiness, by which is meant, the right any lawful business or vocation, in any manner not inconsistent with the equal rights of others, which may increase their prosperity or develop their faculties, so as to give them their highest enjoyment…It has been well said that, THE PROPERTY WHICH EVERY MAN HAS IS HIS OWN LABOR, AS IT IS THE ORIGINAL FOUNDATION OF ALL OTHER PROPERTY SO IT IS THE MOST SACRED AND INVIOLABLE…” Butchers' Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1883)”(Justice Field, concurring)”Emphasis added.

    Sometimes these fools raise the 1870s Springer case in support of their tyrannical views. Nevertheless, Pollock limited Springer.

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    for a tax on professional receipts might be treated as an excise or duty, and therefore indirect, when a tax on the income of personalty might be held to be direct.” [Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust, 157 U.S. 529, 579 (1895)]

    http://supreme.justi…7/429/case.html

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    PERSONALTY [L. persona/ a mask worn by performers in Roman plays; a role, the human body; one; a person. The Latin word personalitas came to mean the things surrounding and owned by an individual]

    Personal property, as contrasted with Real Property. Chattels. Any property not attached to real estate. Property which is temporarily attached to real estate by a tenant, such as store fixtures, and which can be removed, is known as quasi personalty. -Latin For Lawyers

    They will often state there is a tax on labor. However, this is untrue and ridiculous. There is simply NO Supreme Court case states there is a tax on “labor” “wages” or “compensation”. There is merely a tax on “incomederived from “sources” of “income”, such as “labor“, “earnings“, “compensation“, etc. Hence, there is NO law requiring such a tax.

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    Amendment XVI

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    Emphasis added.

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    “The income tax is, therefore, not a tax on income as such. It is an excise tax with respect to certain activities and privileges which is measured by reference to the income which they produce. The income is not the subject of the tax: it is the basis for determining the amount of tax” -House Congressional Record, March 27, 1943, p. 2580.

    Emphasis added.

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    “The Corporation Tax, as imposed by Congress in the Tariff Act of 1909, is not a direct tax, but an excise; it does not fall within the apportionment clause of the Constitution, but is within, and complies with, the provision for uniformity throughout the United States; it is an excise on the privilege of doing business in a corporate capacity…”FLINT V. STONE TRACY CO., 220 U. S. 107 (1911)

    http://supreme.justi…0/107/case.html

    Emphasis added.

    Brushaber cited the Tariff Act of 1913, however, the principle is the same:

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    BRUSHABER V. UNION PACIFIC R. CO., 240 U. S. 1 (1916)

    The various propositions are so intermingled as to cause it to be difficult to classify them. We are of opinion, however,

    Page 240 U. S. 11

    that the confusion is not inherent, but rather arises from the conclusion that the Sixteenth Amendment provides for a hitherto unknown power of taxation — that is, a power to levy an income tax which, although direct, should not be subject to the regulation of apportionment applicable to all other direct taxes. And the far-reaching effect of this erroneous assumption will be made clear by generalizing the many contentions advanced in argument to support it, as follows: (a) The Amendment authorizes only a particular character of direct tax without apportionment, and therefore if a tax is levied under its assumed authority which does not partake of the characteristics exacted by the Amendment, it is outside of the Amendment, and is void as a direct tax in the general constitutional sense because not apportioned. ( 😎 As the Amendment authorizes a tax only upon incomes “from whatever source derived,” the exclusion from taxation of some income of designated persons and classes is not authorized, and hence the constitutionality of the law must be tested by the general provisions of the Constitution as to taxation, and thus again the tax is void for want of apportionment. © As the right to tax “incomes from whatever source derived” for which the Amendment provides must be considered as exacting intrinsic uniformity, therefore no tax comes under the authority of the Amendment not conforming to such standard, and hence all the provisions of the assailed statute must once more be tested solely under the general and preexisting provisions of the Constitution, causing the statute again to be void in the absence of apportionment. (d) As the power conferred by the Amendment is new and prospective, the attempt in the statute to make its provisions retroactively apply is void because, so far as the retroactive period is concerned, it is governed by the preexisting constitutional requirement as to apportionment.

    […]

    Again, it has never moreover been questioned that the conceded complete and all-embracing taxing power was subject, so far as they were respectively applicable, to limitations resulting from the requirements of Art. I, § 8, cl. 1, that “all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States,” and to the limitations of Art I., § 2, cl. 3, that “direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states,” and of Art. I, § 9, cl. 4, that “no capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration hereinbefore directed to be taken.” In fact, the two great subdivisions embracing the complete and perfect delegation of the power to tax and the two correlated limitations as to such power were thus aptly stated by Mr. Chief Justice Fuller in Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co., supra, at 157 U. S. 557:

    In the matter of taxation, the Constitution recognizes the two great classes of direct and indirect taxes, and lays down two rules by which their imposition must be governed, namely, the rule of apportionment as to direct taxes, and the rule of uniformity as to duties, imposts, and excises.”

    http://supreme.justi…240/1/case.html

    Emphasis added.

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    “The poor man does not regard his wages or salary as 'an income.'” -Governor A.E. Wilson (Kentucky) on the Income Tax Amendment, N.Y. Times, part 5, page 13, February 26, 1911.

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    “An income tax seeks to reach the unearned wealth of the country and to make it pay its share.” -44 Congressional Record 4420 (1909)

    http://www.suijurisf…740.html#p10740

  • BOBT12

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    January 20, 2012 at 4:27 am in reply to: Larken Rose

    I really like much of what Larkin discusses. However, he, like most, don't seem to understand the foundation of just government as outlined by the Declaration of Independence: just government is based upon the “consent” of the people. If we grasp this concept, it should be obvious that the use of force that he speaks of, such as forced direct taxation is unjust at its core. Therefore, it is not a legitimate use of governmental force.

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    “Among these unalienable rights, as proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence is the right of men to pursue their happiness, by which is meant, the right any lawful business or vocation, in any manner not inconsistent with the equal rights of others, which may increase their prosperity or develop their faculties, so as to give them their highest enjoyment…It has been well said that, THE PROPERTY WHICH EVERY MAN HAS IS HIS OWN LABOR, AS IT IS THE ORIGINAL FOUNDATION OF ALL OTHER PROPERTY SO IT IS THE MOST SACRED AND INVIOLABLE…”

    [Butchers' Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1883) “(Justice Field, concurring)”]

  • BOBT12

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    January 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm in reply to: Answers from students in public/government run school…

    Of course, this whole school drama is done by design, as documented in Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt's book, “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America,

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    Wilhelm Wundt, Founder of Experimental Psychology…was born in 1832. To Wundt, a thing made sense and was worth pursuing if it could be measured, quantified, and scientifically demonstrated. Seeing no way to do this with the human soul, he proposed that psychology concern itself solely with experience. As Wundt put it… Karl Marx injected Hegel's theories with economics and sociology…

    From Wundt's work it was only a short step to the later redefinition of education. Originally, education meant drawing out of a person's innate talents and abilities by imparting the knowledge of languages, scientific reasoning, history, literature, rhetoric, etc. — the channels through which those abilities would flourish and serve. To the experimental psychologist, however, education became the process of exposing the student to “meaningful” experiences so as to ensured desired reactions…

    The conditioning of modern American society began with John Dewey, a psychologist, a Fabian Socialist and the “Father of Progressive Education.” Dewey used the psychology developed in Leipzig by Wilhelm Wundt, and believed that through a stimulus-response approach (like Pavlov) students could be conditioned for a new social order.

    And now we see the incredible results on display right here.

  • BOBT12

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    January 12, 2012 at 6:57 pm in reply to: Answers from students in public/government run school…

    Well we see Taxpayer dollars hard at work.

  • BOBT12

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    January 9, 2012 at 8:38 pm in reply to: Being a nontaxpayer without denumbering self

    I am not offering any advice, legal or otherwise. You generally determine your tax status (Taxpayer) with the forms that you file under penalty of perjury (think W-2, W-4, 1040, 1099, etc.).

    You should read this before you continue:

    famguardian.org/Publications/GreatIRSHoax/GreatIRSHoax.htm

    Of course, you are encouraged (required) to compete the minimum step covered by this document before using any forms offered on this forum.

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    ”No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of the civil authority.” — Thomas Jefferson, Speech to New London Methodists, 1809

    However, everyone is free to use the open source (such as Supreme Court decisions, biblical references, and more) information as they see fit.

    http://famguardian.o…reatIRSHoax.htm

    One should seek to do what is just. Nonetheless, you should be aware that, “It is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong.” -Voltaire

  • BOBT12

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    January 6, 2012 at 8:26 pm in reply to: Pepsi Co. Admits Mouse Body Would Disintigrate from Mountain Dew

    Here are some other concerns regarding what is put into Pepsi.

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    Pepsi Getting Heat for Use of Aborted Fetal Cells in Flavor Research

    Written by Dave Bohon

    Tuesday, 01 November 2011 15:00

    pepsifetus-t.001.jpg

    Shareholders of PepsiCo have filed a resolution with the Securities and Exchange Commission in an effort to force the company to stop contracting with a research firm that uses cells from aborted babies in its process of producing artificial flavor enhancers. According to LifeNews.com, Pepsi has “ignored concerns and criticism from dozens of pro-life groups and tens of thousands of pro-life people who voiced their opposition to PepsiCo contracting with biotech company Senomyx even after it was found to be testing their food additives using fetal cells from abortions.”

    http://thenewamerica…flavor-research

    Emphasis added.

  • The only things that come to mind are: unwarranted, bizarre, and insane! I mean, how many SSA offices have been robbed at gun point? Where are all the terrorist acts to attempt to justify the National Defense Authorization Act?

  • BOBT12

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    January 5, 2012 at 11:55 pm in reply to: Obama signs NDAA into law, dismantles Bill of Rights

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alton-lu/the-national-defense-auth_b_1180869.html < Alton Lu18-year-old senior in high schoolThis is on the money,

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    On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed a law known as the National Defense Authorization Act for the 2012 fiscal year, or the H.R. 1540. Congress passes this act every year to monitor the budget for the Department of Defense. However, this year the NDAA bill has passed with new provisions that should have the entire country up with pitchforks.

    […]

    In a country famous for the belief that one is innocent until proven guilty, this is an upsetting change that is being foisted upon the American people with many unaware of what it means.

    […]

    I am writing a story that is against what the politicians in Washington have voted for. Can I be seen as aiding Al-Qaeda because I am attempting to change the views of the public [freedom of speech-BOBT12] to something that is against government; because there is a gun in my home and we have a well-supplied pantry?

    Can I be seen as a terrorist under the definition of terrorism? Yes I can. Will I? I hope not.

    Emphasis added.

  • BOBT12

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    January 5, 2012 at 10:42 pm in reply to: Obama signs NDAA into law, dismantles Bill of Rights
    'Gods_Servant' wrote:

    Well i just had an attorney tell me that the Constitution and the Supreme law has nothing to do with it and that every State does not have to abide by the united States of America Constitution at all.

    This attorney is either a dupe or a disinformation agent. Why does he think that the STATES got together to draft the Constitution? Why did the states go through a ratification process? Further, the NDAA is FEDERAL government action. Is it this attorney's position that the united states of America Constitution doesn't apply to the federal government? If so, what is the basis for his prima fascie absurd view.

    It is true that the people are NOT bound by the Constitution.

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    ”No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of the civil authority.” — Thomas Jefferson, Speech to New London Methodists, 1809

    The Bill of Rights cannot be overridden by just governmental action.

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    “A bill of rights [should provide] clearly and without the aid of sophisms for… the eternal and unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury in all matters of fact triable by the laws of the land and not by the law of nations.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387

    Emphasis added.

    If the government takes such unjust action it is unlawful, hence, tyranny!

    Either the Declaration of Independence must be abandoned and rendered void as an inconsistent and insincere document, or we must reject and render void those arguments, laws, court decisions, presidential orders, etc., which would claim authority over the Bill of Rights is pursuant to American law. Nothing could be more revolting to a free people that to accept the notion that citizens, against their consent, can be deprived of their liberty and made subject to a military jurisdiction by the arbitrary will of government. These were also the sentiment of the American colonists.

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    ”The principles contained in the Declaration of Independence are saving principles. Stand by those principles; be true to them on all occasions, in all places, against all foes, and at whatever cost.” –Frederick Douglass.
  • BOBT12

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    January 4, 2012 at 11:21 pm in reply to: Obama signs NDAA into law, dismantles Bill of Rights

    For those that may want to see the evidence.

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    S.1867National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012

    […]

    Sec. 920c. Art. 120c. Other sexual misconduct

    (d) Repeal of Sodomy Article- Section 925 of such title (article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice) is repealed.

    http://www.examiner….he-armed-forces

    Emphasis added.

    I don't see why anyone feels that this whole National Defense Authorization Act. bill is needed. The President should not have signed this Act that is at war against We the People.

    The U.S. CIA runs Al Qaeda, we haven't had one attack by this proxy group without government fingerprints all over them, and now the the state dept., Hillary Clinton, openly supports their involvement in Libya.

    And for some odd reason, the American public is now vaguely associated with this group of Hobgoblins? And for this future crime, the public should be “afraid”, and subjected to unnamed forms of torture (what happen to cruel and unusual punishment, or supreme law?), with no rights under the Creator. This whole thing makes little sense.

  • BOBT12

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    January 4, 2012 at 3:38 am in reply to: Tv Show: Law and Order

    These shows are predictive programing. They know that the people do trust official messages, thus, they implant their garbage, lies, and disinformation in these phony shows. They are pushing these messages so fast and furiously that it actually waking many of their targets up. Many of these people start looking for real news and people, just look at the rise of Ron Paul and his message of freedom and liberty.

  • BOBT12

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    January 4, 2012 at 3:29 am in reply to: Obama signs NDAA into law, dismantles Bill of Rights

    Now they want the troops to have their way with sheep and other animals. These NWO types are pigs, so they must allow bestiality, I suppose!

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    Alex covers Obama's signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, a draconian bill that will allow the military to arrest American citizens and disappear them into a secret labyrinth tribunal system where victims may be kept for years without access to due process and the protection of the Fourth Amendment.

    Emphasis added.

    Then we have

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    H.R. 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act

    “To add engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States to the list of acts for which United States national would lose their nationality.”

    Emphasis added.

    All of this legislation is for the American people, not the government sponsored Al Qaeda. The good military men and woman, Danny in Missouri, a Ron Paul supporter, are not going for this crap. The crazed military are putting up robot fences around certain bases for the detainees Civilian Inmate facility Fort Leonard Wood, http://www.wood.army.mil/wood_cms/index.shtml

  • BOBT12

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    December 22, 2011 at 4:28 am in reply to: Help with Traffic Court in Florida

    If Traffic Court is not a Court of Record (they never are in my experience), they will not be required to follow the formal Rules of Procedure. One should look at their state’s constitution to determine where the Court of Record begins, usually at the Common Pleas Court level. You will have to fight the ticket according to the appeals process on the ticket. If you don't get a favorable decision at this level, you can appeal to a Court of Record, you should get a de novo (new) trial.

    Here is a little background from the U.S. POV:

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    Here’s an inconvenient truth: the automobile is the safest form of transportation ever invented. Dr. Roger Roots, an attorney and sociologist from Montana, has authored a detailed study showing that the switch from horse travel to car travel a hundred years ago probably saved many thousands of American lives….American Journal of Economics and Sociology and is entitled “The Dangers of Automobile Travel: A Reconsideration.”

    […]

    Why is this important…because a hundred years ago, Americans had a constitutional right to travel without government permission or licenses. There were many state court decisions on the books so holding. For example the Supreme Court of Kansas issued a decision in 1890 holding that “[each] citizen has the absolute right to choose for himself the mode of conveyance he desires, whether it be by wagon or carriage, by horse, motor or electric car, or by bicycle,… subject to the sole condition that he will observe all those requirements that are known as the ‘law of the road’”. Swift v. City of Topeka, 23 P. 1075, 1076 (Kan, 1890). The right to travel by automobile without government permission was “so well established and so universally recognized in this country,” wrote the court, “that it has become a part of the alphabet of fundamental rights of the citizen.”

    […]

    The right was “orphaned” because judges and policymakers described that automobile as more dangerous than previous methods of transportation. The first driver licenses were issues around 1905 in the northeastern states in the aftermath of widely reported car wrecks. Over the years, auto travelers have accepted more and more restrictions on their rights, and today most states regularly enact new regulations.

    […]

    According to Dr. Roots, this loss of the right has led to a virtual state of marshal law on the highways of the twenty-first century…. Americans of previous generations would have objected strenuously to the notion that we need to ask for government permission to travel down the roads.

    […]Over time, the driver license has morphed into a complicated identification program that has little or nothing to do with ensuring the safe “operation “ of motor vehicles. Through the Driver’s License, the state has become a database manager with access to the addresses, photographs, identification numbers, and vital statistics of most Americans.

    Today, traffic cops are even allowed to forcibly stab needles into drivers’ arms and draw blood from drivers without warrant and over the drivers’ objections. They may lack anything approaching the medical training that a licensed nurse needs to do the same thing, and they face almost no civil liability for infections, scars, or injuries they cause. Drivers who submit to the driver license regime are held to have “impliedly consented” to all of these invasions.

    by Roger Roots, ”AMERICA’S LOST RIGHT TO TRAVEL BY AUTOMOBILE”, Republic Magazine, #6

    Emphasis added.

    http://www.restoretherepublic.net 1-866-437-6570

    post8202.html?hilit=de%20novo#p8202

  • BOBT12

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    December 21, 2011 at 11:18 pm in reply to: Child Support Contempt letter during Path to Freedom
    'jentizm' wrote:

    Well my question is did that man send in a response letter to child support and or get a response from the thieves that they are..And one other thing: Is what is this part 14 path to freedom…

    God bless and thank you.

    Please review this.

    http://sedm.org/Form…thToFreedom.pdf

  • BOBT12

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    December 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm in reply to: The Devil Won't Let You Go Easy

    As the man says, “get the facts”!

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