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- Not A Person wrote on Sep 11 2006, 11:15 PM:me thinks:? Sonik = Larry Becraft?? 😛
So are you saying that Black's Law dictionary is not accurate ??? that the definition for Strawman is not accurate??? 😮
Where is this stated, or suggested by Sonik?
You can set up a strawman if you wish to as provided in the dictionary. Yet, the fact that there's a definition, is not at issue. The issue is to show where a valid strawman has been established.
Quote:Instead of hiding behind your “proof up bit”, why don't you explain to us why YOU think all licenses, utility bills, etc. are in all capital letters?? ? :)? ? this should be interesting.Where do any of these items say anything about strawman? Where is the constitution, statute, regulation, code, etc. that states these things require a strawman?
Where is the contract that covered the stawman issue? Where is the meeting of minds regarding this issue? This is the main evidence that the strawman doesn't exist. Moreover, I haven't set one up. Have you?
The best that can be achieved is that there's a presumption of some sort. Presumptions can always be rebuted, however.
Again, it remains up to those who assert a position, to support it with evidence. So far the evidence provided fails to prove the strawman theory.
Not A PersonNot A Person wrote:— just a man on the land? 😎[post=”3041″][/post]Good for you. This is the case for everyone, unless you want to set up a strawman.
BOB
- Sonik Speed wrote on Apr 8 2006, 08:53 PM:POSTING TRANSFERED FROM “Irwin Schiff Sentenced”
April 8, 2006
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If I may kindly interject into your conversation with Mr. Author #2, then I would like to say that the Constitution is an implied contract. Certainly it has the some elements of a 'social' contract. I yield to VanHorne's Lessee v. Dorrance, 2 U.S. 304, 2 Dall. 304 (1795):
Quote:“What is a Constitution? It is the form of government, delineated by the mighty hand of the people, in which certain first principles of fundamental laws are established. The Constitution is certain and fixed; it contains the permanent will of the people, and is the supreme law of the land; it is paramount to the power of the Legislature, and can be revoked or altered only by the authority that made it. The life-giving principle and the death-doing stroke must proceed from the same hand. What are Legislatures? Creatures of the Constitution; they owe their existence to the Constitution: they derive their powers from the Constitution: It is their commission; and, therefore, all their acts must be conformable to it, or else they will be void. The Constitution is the work or will of the People themselves, in their original, sovereign, and unlimited capacity. Law is the work or will of the Legislature in their derivative and subordinate capacity. The one is the work of the Creator, and the other of the Creature. The Constitution fixes limits to the exercise of legislative authority, and prescribes the orbit within which it must move. In short, gentlemen, the Constitution is the sun of the political system, around which all Legislative, Executive and Judicial bodies must revolve. Whatever may be the case in other countries, yet in this there can be no doubt, that every act of the Legislature, repugnant to the Constitution, as absolutely void.”Secondly – I, as a philosopher, am not interested in “opinions” and I am very confident that you are not either. Please stick to facts.
Sonik Speed
[post=”2540″][/post]Thanks for that quote, I was looking for it for sometime. 😀
The “see no evil” [with government wrongdoing] administration wants everyone to stop talking about 9-11 truth.
White House Targets Conspiracy Theorists As Terrorist Recruiters
Quote:A document cited by President Bush in his recent speech at the Capital Hilton Hotel on how to 'win the war on terror' cites conspiracies as one of the wellsprings of terrorism and threatens to “address” and “diminish” the problems they are causing the government in fulfilling their agenda.On Tuesday Bush referred to the strategy paper as “an unclassified version of the strategy we've been pursuing since September the 11th, 2001,” that takes into account, “the changing nature of this enemy.”
The document says that terrorism springs from “subcultures of conspiracy and misinformation,” and that “terrorists recruit more effectively from populations whose information about the world is contaminated by falsehoods and corrupted by conspiracy theories. The distortions keep alive grievances and filter out facts that would challenge popular prejudices and self-serving propaganda.”
[…]This is an outright threat to the 9/11 truth movement and is meant to have a chilling effect on freedom of speech.
It is also a callous reminder that the administration that has been the progenitor of the most heinous and deliberate campaign to mislead and lie to its own people is so transfixed by its own hubris that it has the temerity to accuse others of propagating deceptive information.
This is the same administration that deliberately included the Niger yellow cake fraud in a state of the union speech to sell a war – knowing that the information was completely bogus.
How dare they threaten us with the very defining characteristic of their black legacy and equate us with terrorists?
This is a direct assault on the alternative media and a continuation of the twilight zone rhetoric that saw the administration attempt to link its critics with Fascists and Hitler appeasers. The only fascists that should really concern us are not imaginary 'Blogofascists' or 'Islamofascists' but the Neo-Fascist slugs that occupy the White House and their cheerleading sycophants in the mainstream media and congress.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/s…trecruiters.htm
Quote:If things could not get crazier, Bush lashed out at conspiracy theorists as terrorist recruiters. As personal freedoms are eroded, so goes freedom of speech. In his address, Bush focused on the supposed threat that alternative media provides, saying in essence that it impedes the government in fulfilling their ?war on terror? agenda. I wonder if Bush is offended by the facts laid out in the Loose Change 9/11 documentary?[Posted By drp2p]
On the subject of pressure to remain silent (when faced with evil):
Quote:BYU places '9/11 truth' professor on paid leaveDeseret Morning News / Tad Walch | September 8 2006
Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the so-called “9/11 truth movement” that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
Steven Jones BYU will conduct an official review of Jones' actions before determining a course of action, university spokeswoman Carri Jenkins said.
Such a review is rare for a professor with “continuing status” at BYU, where Jones has taught since 1985.
Jones was teaching two classes this semester, which began Tuesday. Other professors will cover those classes, and Jones will be allowed to continue to do research in his area of academic study, Jenkins said.
Jones became a celebrity among 9/11 conspiracy-theory groups after he wrote a paper titled “Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?”
The paper was published two weeks ago in the book “9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out” and lays out Jones' hypothesis that the three towers fell because of pre-positioned demolition charges ? not because of the planes that hit two of the towers.
When Jones began to share his demolition theory publicly last fall, he politely declined to speculate about who set the charges other than to say terrorist groups couldn't have been the source.
Then, later, he started to speak publicly about research conducted at BYU on materials from ground zero. He said he found evidence of thermite ? a compound used in military detonations ? in the materials.
In recent weeks, after becoming the co-chairman of the group Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Jones seemed willing to go further, implicating unnamed government groups but not President Bush.
The Deseret Morning News requested a statement from the university Wednesday afternoon for a story it was preparing on Jones and his high-profile role in the 9/11 truth movement. University officials informed Jones of the decision to place him on leave Thursday afternoon and released a statement to the newspaper Thursday night.
“BYU has repeatedly said that it does not endorse assertions made by individual faculty,” the statement said. “We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones.”
Last fall, BYU faculty posted statements on the university Web site that questioned whether Jones subjected the paper to rigorous academic peer review before he posted it at physics.byu.edu. Jones removed the paper from BYU's Web site Thursday at the university's request.
Efforts to reach Jones Thursday night were not successful. Jones told the Deseret Morning News on Wednesday that his paper had gone through an unusual third round of peer review in what is now an apparently unsuccessful effort to quell concerns on campus.
“BYU remains concerned that Dr. Jones' work on this topic has not been published in appropriate scientific venues,” the university statement said.
Jenkins said BYU's reputation was a consideration, too.
“It is a concern when faculty bring the university name into their own personal matters of concern,” she said.
Jones, also known for his cold fusion research, provided academic clout to the 9/11 truth movement. C-SPAN repeatedly broadcast a conference that featured Jones this summer. Recent articles about Sept. 11 conspiracy theories that focused at least in part on Jones have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Guardian in London and other publications.
Recent rebuttals to the demolition theory have been released by the State Department and the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which published a 10,000-page report on the towers' collapse.
A modified version of Jones' paper was scheduled to be published this week in the online Journal of 9/11 Studies. Jones is a co-editor of the journal.
BYU does not grant tenure, generally regarded as a permanent position, to professors. However, it does give continuing status to professors found worthy after six years on campus.
“Continuing status,” Jenkins said, “grants the expectation that faculty members will have continuing employment at the university, although it is not a guarantee.
They still need to meet satisfactory performance levels for scholarship, citizenship and teaching.”
The review will be conducted at three levels by the administration, the College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the Physics Department.
http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/byu_pl…_paid_leave.htm
Other information:
- Sonik Speed wrote on Sep 4 2006, 10:17 PM:I've had my bitter rivalries with Mr. Tom Clayton on 861. There was no use in getting to him on other non-861 issues. However, it hurts to see (at least) that a man who has relied upon the law to reach certain conclusions, gets hammered by the government unjustly.
It truely is sad – but I wish him the best of luck.
[post=”3010″][/post]I agree with you 100%.
- revolution calling wrote on Sep 5 2006, 12:56 PM:I've spent some time perusing the famguardian site and am impressed to say the least. As you can tell by my 'handle' I feel things will require a different path prior to change but promise to abide by the rules regarding advocating violence.
That being said, I am very interested in pursuing the 'opting out' process from the socialist security system. I asked them years ago if I could agree not to pay into it and would not accept anything out of it. Obviously I never heard back from them. The second letter I sent wasn't quite as friendly but still no response.
I'm curious as to how many of you work a typical W-2 type job and have gotten your employer to stop witholding. I saw the different forms available for getting this process underway and plan to begin doing so.
I'm not going to ask to be spoon fed but would like suggestions regarding which steps to take first. I know what it's like when a newbie comes and starts asking things that are old hat to you. I trust you will bear with me while I learn to crawl prior to walking.Â
Thanks for any help.
RC
[post=”3013″][/post]Welcome to the forum.
http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?sh…284&hl=form+w-2
Welcome to the forum iCallCheckmate.
I love your thinking, and look forward to hearing more of your ideas. Too many think that we should be government puppets, especially after the government planned 9-11 episode, and related terror-war events. It is good to hear from people like you, and many on this forum, who resist such views.
BOB
Here is some information that I felt worth sharing:
Demosthenes wrote:Because an employee has an oppotunity to go to court prior to a levy, there is no court order requirement for a wage levy.?? See the Supreme Court case on the subject below:Quote:Administrative levy, unlike an ordinary lawsuit, and unlike the procedure described in 7403, does not require any judicial intervention, and it is up to the taxpayer, if he so chooses, to go to court if he claims that the assessed amount was not legally owing.Rogers, 461 U.S. at 682-83
Emphasis added.
I am not a taxpayer. I have never been served with an assessment from the government (who has?). I have not self-assessed myself (by filing form 1040 ect., under penalty of perjury, without objections). Thus, I do not have a (subtitle A) tax liability, the above doesn't apply to me.
I think that the following makes some rather strong points regarding the issue of assessment of taxes:
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Appellant
v.
ARTHUR L. FARNSWORTH
PRECEDENTIAL
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT
On Appeal from the United States District Court for the Eastern
District of Pennsylvania
(D.C. No. 04-cr-00707)
Quote:After a lunch break, the Government asked the District Court to reconsider its determination that proof of either a self-assessment or a formal assessment by the IRS is necessary to prove attempted evasion of payment. The Government also informed the District Court that there was no evidence that Farnsworth self-assessed or that the IRS had made a formal assessment for the years charged. The District Court responded by stating the following:[T]he defendant has argued that the Government has no case for willfully attempting to evade the payment of tax because an assessment would be required to establish[] a tax due. And, then subsequent to that[,] an evasion. . . . And, defendant asserted that there was no such assessment either by way of self- assessment to the filing of returns or assessment through the Internal Revenue Service.
In connection with that point I stated in court this morning, . . . that I believed that that form of misconduct as a violation of this offense, namely the form that deals with evading — evading payment, would require an assessment of some type.
Emphasis added.
http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/061425p.pdf
Quote:Absent a procedurally valid assessment that can be made ONLY by the “taxpayer” himself on an income tax return and there is no tax due, and there can be no lawful levy absent an assessment.http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Instruct…ViolDueProc.htm
Dr. Caligari wrote:As I understand the law, that b]IRS proposed assessment[/b wouldn't do it– there would have had to have been an assessment before the defendant committed the acts of evasion charged in the indictment. The theory is that if the defendant is not charged with evasion of assessment (e.g., lying on his tax return, etc.), but rather with evasion of payment (e.g., hiding assets to avoid a levy), the IRS had to have had the legal ability to collect the tax, something they cannot do without an assessment.Emphasis added.
Thanks doc.
Quote:? 6332. Surrender of property subject to levy.[…](2) Penalty for violation. In addition to the personal liability imposed by paragraph (1), if any person required to surrender property or rights to property fails or refuses to surrender such property or rights to property without reasonable cause, such person shall be liable for a penalty equal to 50 percent of the amount recoverable under paragraph (1). No part of such penalty shall be credited against the tax liability for the collection of which such levy was made.
Blah, blah, blah…
As you see the IRS (government) works through deceitfulness, threat, duress, and coercion (TDC).
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/taxation/905…rm-668-w-o.html
http://www.quatloos.com/Tax-Forums/viewtop…p=135983#135983
- “ZEUS” wrote:go to link to read what “they” are saying about “themselves.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte…6080101300.html
Wow, this is the sort of action that I was hoping to see.
Quote:Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.[…]”We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us,” said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. “It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied.”
Emphasis added.
C-Span Airing Of L.A. Conference Shows Mainstreaming Of 9/11 Truth
Fresh injection of credibility advances movement:
Quote:A decision that many of us were waiting on with baited breath – C-Span's scheduling of the American Scholars Symposium highlights – infuses the 9/11 truth movement with a fresh injection of credibility and exposure to more mainstream audiences.The panel features incredible presentations by 9/11 Scholars for Truth founder James Fetzer, BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones, President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret., Filmmaker and Radio Broadcaster Alex Jones, and Terrorism Expert Webster Tarpley.
C-Span viewers will witness what many consider to be the most hard hitting conference to date including the most professional and credible speakers ever assembled.
Many have expressed a degree of frustration that some quarters of the 9/11 truth movement are not as bold in their stance when drawing conclusions about 9/11 evidence as is necessary to make an impact. The American Scholars Symposium was crystal clear in its summation that 9/11 represents an inside job carried out by criminal elements within the US government. The deliberate implosion of the twin towers and Building 7 allied with the reversal of routine air defense procedures leave no other explanation than the fact that the attack was a self-inflicted wound.
Preaching to the choir is a method best left in the past and the C-Span airing is a positive step towards reaching out and educating those who remain in the dark about the staggering volume of evidence which clearly indicates that the official story behind 9/11 is a fraud.
The distinction, background and high esteem of the speakers at the conference, coupled with C-Span's notable reputation as a bellwether of the mainstream body politic, provides for a perfect symbiosis to advance the credibility and critical acclaim of the 9/11 truth movement as something far weightier and more influential than a cadre of conspiracy theorists – a label still peddled by fading elements of the blowhard establishment press.
It is crucial that everyone see this historic panel discussion on C-SPAN. Tell your friends and family, email colleagues, and post links on message boards. This is an incredible step in spreading the word about the truth about 9/11. It is vital that you focus your educational efforts solely on those who are still unaware of cover-up pertaining to 9/11.
The program will air on C-SPAN 1 at 8PM EST (7PM CST) on Saturday, July 29th and then air again for the West Coast at 11pm EST (10pm CST).
Emphasis added.
http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/cspan_…instreaming.htm
- iamfreeru2 wrote on Jul 11 2006, 04:54 AM:For all those that may have a problem with my flying the American flag upsidedown, let me explain. I fly it that way because our nation is in great peril. I love this country and will die for her. Until our nation is restored to the way our founders intended, I will continue to fly Old Glory upsidedown. This not a disrespect for the flag, but because of the destress our country is in. I have been flying it this way for some time. I flew it this way when I was posting on suijuris for 1 1/2 years and never had anyone question me on it. It was understood why I flew it that way. I hope this does not offend people here and if it is a problem with administration I will not post here, but I will not change it. Thank you for your understanding.
For His glory,
iamfreeru2
[post=”2883″][/post]I agree with your reasoning.
I am glad to see you at the Family Guardian iamfreeru2.
Bing, thank you for your post. I find myself in agreement.
Sonik, I am sure that you are aware that Bing's posts are intended as constructive criticism.
I hope that we can all move forward, in harmony.
BOBT
Nice update.
L.A. 9/11 Truth Conference Gets Fair Media Play
Conference a huge success, C-SPAN to air segments this week
Quote:Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 26 2006The 9/11 American Scholars Symposium concluded in Los Angeles Sunday and was extremely well received by the thousand plus in attendance. A Reuters article summarizing the event presented a reasonably balanced appraisal of the intentions and scope of the conference, mirroring a burgeoning climate of accurate 9/11 truth movement coverage.
Alex Jones confirms the conference has been a huge success. C-SPAN covered part of the event (which it will rebroadcast several times this week), and various mainstream media outlets turned out to cover the event.
Reflecting a positive trend embraced by an earlier New York Times article, the Reuters report on the conference mainly sticks to the facts and avoids the scoffing, sneering tone of similar reports about 9/11 events we have seen over the last few years.
The Reuters article has mainly been picked up by foreign news outlets. From previous experience we know that newswire gatekeepers, ostensibly operating out of London, selectively sideline sensitive stories and order them not to receive substantive nationwide attention.
The Reuters piece has not been picked up by any US or European news outlet thus far.
Publications such as Turkey's Zaman Online, South Africa's Independent Online, Qatar's Gulf News as well as Al Jazeera and Iran's Tehran Times all carried different versions of the original Reuters piece.
Anyone looking for spin, please note this paragraph in the Reuters article:
“The theories, derided by critics as wild and far-fetched, have mostly been confined to the Internet, talk radio and the alternative press.”
While this is generally true, Reuters fails to note that the 9/11 truth movement has encroached into the realm of mainstream media this year more than ever before, notably in response to Charlie Sheen's public stance back in March.
Video footage of Charlie Sheen's appearance as well as a raft of other presentations and interviews with keynote speakers will feature in free video clips and extra footage for Prison Planet.tv subscribers over the next two weeks.
Thanks to everyone who has helped to get the word out, the mainstream is being forced more and more to cover the majority, based-in-fact conviction that 9/11 was an inside job.
Scientific Analysis Proves Towers Brought Down By Incendiaries
Quote:Steven Jones' analysis on WTC steel about to be releasedScientific analysis on WTC steel debris undertaken by BYU Professor Steven Jones proves that the twin towers were demolished by means of incendiary devices and the release of the conclusive evidence is imminent.
The material that was first brought into question on the back of photos and video clips of the twin towers showing a dripping molten substance and floating white ash can now be confirmed as being thermate, combining thermite which is used as an incendiary device to bring down structures and sulfur, which cuts through steel quicker and leaves a yellow residue.
Pools of molten yellow metal were also found underneath both towers and Building 7 subsequent to the collapses.
“The evidence points directly to controlled demolition which means an inside job brought these World Trade Center buildings down,” Jones told radio host Alex Jones in a video interview.
[…]”In order to have thermite in these buildings in this way, to help bring the buildings down, that means that thermite had to be planted in the buildings which of course implies directly and inside job – someone had to have access into the buildings,” said Jones.
[…]Jones stated that thermite was a “clever” choice because its ingredients, aluminum and iron oxide do not require identifying tags by law, meaning they couldn't be traced back to their manufacturers.
Emphasis added.
http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/scient…ncendiaries.htm
- Bing wrote on Jun 18 2006, 08:32 AM:Simply outstanding, sir.
I strongly encourage everyone to read and study the Hansen Case materials, especially the Motions and Affidavits prepared by Hansen. Guys, it is all world class research. And there propably are no more than a handful of People in this entire country who could have did what Hansen has accomplished.
I must agree with your assessment Bing.
Bing wrote:Bravo, Hansen!!! Bravo!!!Bravo for all of the great work that you have provided Hansen.
Bing wrote:The DOJ attorneys, especially Marty “Shoe Shine” Shoemaker, acting at the behest of the liars at the IRS, should be ashamed of themselves for the manner in which they comported themselves in Hansen's case. Tsk, tsk, tsk.Such shameful conduct, sadly, is de riguer at the DOJ.
I am hoping that Marty is NOT a Father, because no child should have a parent who is so obviously corrupted as he appears to be. Parents should not lie, it sets a bad example, and Marty “Shoe Shine” Shoemaker ceratinly appears to be a liar.
Ahhh well, the Court refused to assert that Hansen was helping “taxpayers”, so instead, they lied and said Hansen had “customers”. Shoemaker knows that Hansen does not have customers.
The Court and the DOJ knew that the case against Hansen was very weak, and the words used in the bogus Order proves it too.
The Court threw out Hansen's sworn evidence, and then instead of telling him in advance, so he can properly appeal that decision, the Court only informed Hansen in the final Order, announcing its decision. Yet one more dirty trick.
This goes to show how corrupt the various branches of government are.
Bing wrote:ALL I know is that in the year since Hansen was unlawfully attacked by the DOJ, me and many others in the Family Guardian Fellowship, have learned so much more about the legal process, and how to mount an effective defense, and we owe all of our advanced learning and knowledge to the DOJ lawyers, who, through their sheer corruption and mendacity, forced us to learn how to fight better and smarter.Man oh man, what a mistake you clowns have made.? :D? 😀
Inadvertantly, the DOJ and IRS have helped train legions of us and in effect, have turned us into “legal warriors”. Now, instead of only having to deal with one “Author #2”, they will be running up against scores of the famguardian progeny, who will be placing the IRS attorneys on the defensive by revealing facts via affidavit.
Great idea.
Bing wrote:These guys will just never learn. HEY IRS, We are here and we are not going anywhere. Har, har, har. :P? 😛I strongly encourage all of our Forum readers who are non-taxpayers, to send an affidavit to the IRS's top lawyers in D.C., listing some of the evidence available at famguardian.org, and ask the IRS's attorneys to correct your facts.
Then sit back and wait for them to reply.? Don't wait for the IRS to come after you, instead, you should go after them by going on the offensive and filing affidavits with the IRS top lawyers.
I have sent the IRS such an affidavit years ago, I am still waiting for a reply.
Bing wrote:Author #2, famguardian, and SEDM are the bomb!! 🙂Bing
[post=”2837″][/post]Thanks for those comments Bing.
Thanks for this great work contained this website Author #2.
Thanks fellow members for all of your positive contributions, they have been a great inspiration to me. Everyone, please keep up the good work.
The Great No-ID Airport Challenge
Quote:By Ryan Singel| Also by this reporter02:00 AM Jun, 09, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO — Jim Harper left his hotel early Thursday at 5:30 a.m. to give himself more than two hours to clear security at San Francisco International Airport. It wasn't that he was worried the security line would be long, but because he accepted a dare from civil liberties rabble-rouser John Gilmore to test whether he could actually fly without showing identification.
Gilmore issued the challenge at Wednesday's meeting of the Department of Homeland Security's privacy advisory committee in San Francisco, which otherwise lacked much in the way of controversy. An entrepreneur and co-founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Gilmore recently lost a court battle seeking to unmask the government's secret regulations asking passengers to show identification when flying, and to have those rules declared unconstitutional.
Scolding the DHS committee for dithering over small matters, Gilmore said that it should be investigating the National Security Agency's eavesdropping program and that the committee's real job was to “protect the homeland from mean-spirited officials.”
Gilmore then dared committee members to place their driver's licenses in the envelopes he had passed out, mail them to their home addresses and then attempt to fly home without identification.
While signs in the airport and on the Transportation Security Administration website insist that showing ID is mandatory, the official policy, as revealed by the judges' decision (.pdf) in Gilmore's case, is that “airline passengers either present identification or be subjected to a more extensive search.” But Gilmore said that's not what really happens in an airport when one refuses to provide identification.
“You will find out what the real rules are,” Gilmore said. “Are you afraid to? You have good reason.”
Gilmore referred to his own experience when Southwest Airlines refused to let him fly in 2002 without identification, and a recent blog post by travel expert Edward Hasbrouck, chronicling his near-arrest for trying to figure out if the person checking identification at Washington Dulles International Airport was an airline or federal employee.
At the meeting's close, Harper, a committee member, said he'd take the challenge so long as he could hand his envelope to a reporter who accompanied him to the airport. He also challenged the other members to join him.
“We have influence,” Harper said. “I challenge my colleagues to believe in the law.”
None of the other committee members volunteered, but the committee's chair, former director of consumer protection for the Federal Trade Commission Howard Beales gave Harper a tongue-in-cheek blessing.
“I wish Jim the best and hope to see you in the future,” Beales said.
At 6 a.m. the next morning, Harper handed this reporter a green, self-addressed stamped envelope and entered the checkpoint line, which even at that early hour was filled with travelers facing a 20-minute crawl to the magnetometers.
Harper told the identification checker he had no ID, and the attendant quickly wrote “No ID” with a red marker on his ticket and shunted him off to an extra screening line — generously allowing him to bypass the longer queue of card-carrying passengers.
There Harper was directed into the belly of a General Electric EntryScan puffer machine that shot bits of air at his suit in order to see if he had been handling explosives.
TSA employees wearing baby blue surgical gloves then swiped his Sidekick and his laptop for traces of explosives and searched through his carry-on, while a supervisor took his ticket, conferred with other employees and made a phone call.
Meanwhile, a TSA employee approached this reporter, who was watching the search through Plexiglas, and said, “It's pretty awkward you are standing here taking notes,” but he did not ask for identification or call for a halt to the note-taking.
The TSA supervisor returned from her phone call and asked Harper why he didn't have identification and to where he was traveling. But she was satisfied enough with his answer — that he had mailed his driver's license home to Washington D.C. — that she allowed him to pass.
At 6:30 a.m., standing 50 yards away on the other side of the glass screen, Harper phoned to say he now had two hours to kill, having gotten through screening perhaps even faster than he would have if he'd shown ID. He guessed he was able to get through without much hassle by being polite and dressing well.
Why did he take the challenge?
“Part of it was my concern with the growing use of identification checks to control access to society, such as buildings, stadiums and air travel,” Harper said, referring to issues that are central to his recently published book called Identity Crisis.
And will he do it again?
“Yeah, I'm inclined to do it more and more and hopefully more people will follow my lead and it will become a clear option to not show government ID to fly,” Harper said. “My identity has nothing to do with the real risk.
“In fact, today, I'm the safest guy on the plane.”
Emphasis added.
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,711…ml?tw=rss.index
I felt that this was a nice article, and Mr. Gilmore.
BOBT