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JWR, thank you for your kind offer to share your affidavit with me. However, for professional and legal reasons, I must decline your offer to read your affidavit. I am sure it is a very good affidavit.
And yes, I have been reading your posts. If I recall correctly, you were corresponding with a low level IRS employee. And you may also recall that I suggested that hypothetically, one may want to consider skipping 6 or 7 levels of IRS management, and write to directly to the IRS's top lawyers.
If the IRS is ignoring your stuff, resend it after 30+ days and wait. And then resend it again. Also, if you aren't, you should consider, again, hypothetically speaking, having someone execute an affidaivit of proof of service/mailing, and let that person stuff and address the envelopes and take it to the Post Office.
RE: the apathy of American Citizens, I am in total agreement with you. But it is not just apathy that is thwarting our noble Cause, it is poor education about the meaning and significance of the USA Constitution and Declaration of Independence.
And you were dead on, there is definately too much brain washing. And it is only going to get worse because millions of children have been drugged by their parents and as a result, the next generation is far more mallable and timid than my and yours. Thus, they are easier to control.
I don't have any new answers for you save that you may want to consider getting a new job and not giving your new employer your social security number.
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It is my understanding that the IRS, Director of International Operations is located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
A long time ago, I seem to recall reading this address in 26 CFR.
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- JWR wrote on Jan 4 2005, 12:45 PM:What I would like to know is how in **** can we force answers out of them? Short of doing what the founding fathers would have done decades ago, what can we do? Nothing is working to bring this servant government into compliance with the restraints that were put in place over two hundred years ago. I don't know about anybody else, but I am completely sick and tired of it. They are picking us off one at a time and no matter what we do it doesn't seem to stop them.
JWR
JWR, I think it is important not to get discouraged and to stay the course.
I lawfully do not pay any income taxes, and I know of others who lawfully do not pay income taxes either. So, in that sense, the IRS is experiencing losses every single day.
So far as your question about “what can we do”, I think the answer lies in the fact that we must stay together and continually write respectful letters and affidavits to the IRS Officials and USG officers and keep asking them questions.
The IRS has a lawful obligation and a duty to respond to our letters and affidavits and when they fall silent, we must be vigilant and capitalize on that fact by writing to the IRS and politely informing them that if they fail to disprove your facts and evidence, then you will conclude that your facts and evidence shall stand as the conclusive Truth in the instant matter.
And in these letters and affidavits, we must rely heavily on US supreme Court Cases, the USA Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence. Also, we must rely heavily on official US Government prepared documents to prove our facts.
Taking this approach effectively boxes them in.
You and I and the counteless others, must continually use nonviolent methods to fight the IRS and we must fight for our rights.
Yes, JWR, I hear you about being sick and tired of the IRS' transgressions. What you can and should be doing, is talking to as many people as you can and trying to educate them as best you can. An informed citizenry is our best hope to defeating the tyranny of the IRS and the USG.
JWR, I do not agree with your assessment that they are picking us off one at a time. What they have done, so far as I know, is that they have gone after folks who keep making the same stupid mistakes and sloppily placing themselves inside the jurisdiction of the IRS.
A good case in point is Joe Banister. I like Joe and I have a lot of respect for him and what he has accomplished.
Joe is a very smart man, but for the life of me I simply cannot figure out why in the world he would think that he can prepare IRS 1040X Amended Income Tax Returns for his clients, and not expect that by doing so, he is bringing himself and his client within the jurisdiction of the IRC and the IRS.
IRS tax Forms are for taxpayers. Joe should have known that. How could he not? I am dumbfounded on that score.
Joe's problem is that he became too enamored and eventually ensnared in the 861 Arguement, and he apparently lost sight of the more superior jurisdictional thesis. And sadly, now he is forced to extricate himself and unless he can reassert the jurisdictional defense, he is in bad shape from a legal standpoint. It is a very sad situation because Joe is great American.
I am also confounded as to why Joe would allow himself to get bogged down in his IRS disbarment? I always thought that that was a sham trial and was done to get Joe to make certain admission under oath and to present certain evidence, that would later be used against him in his eventual criminal trial. I knew a long time ago, okay, I didn't really know, but I believed in my heart that the IRS and the DOJ was setting Joe up with his IRS disbarment ruse. And Joe ended up fighting a battle that was not the real battle.
Joe's problem is that he fought and argued his so-called right to represent taxpayers, and by doing so, he admitted that he was required to obey IRS Circular 230. Hence, he was ensnared within the IRS's jurisdiction and subject to being punished by the IRS.
The simple question is, what in God's name was Joe thinking when he somehow concluded that it would be a good idea for him to represent taxpayers before the IRS!!!
Let me be very clear, if you are in the Tax Honesty Movement, and you are trying to make a living in that Movement by helping others learn what their Constitutional and unalienable Rights are, you need to be doubly sure that the people you are about to assist, provide you in advance, with a signed statement attesting to the fact that they are nontaxpayers.
Banister made a series of critical misteps when he continually advised taxpayers and sought IRS refunds on behalf of said taxpayers. By doing that, he brought himself and his clients within the jurisdiction of the IRS.
The IRS and the DOJ are going after people who have left themselves exposed on one or more fronts and who, through their own actions, placed themselves within the jurisdiction of the IRS, or, at the very least, created the presumption that they are within the IRS' jurisdiction.
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- Fiddo wrote on Dec 25 2004, 06:00 PM:since I do not earn “taxable income” as defined in the code.
It is even more basic than that.
The more important reason that you don't have taxable income has far, far less to do with what may be contained in the municipal code that is the Internal Revenue Code, and is really because you are an American Citizen living and working in one of the several states who happens to work in the private sector, and you are, therefore, outside the legislative and territorial jurisdiction of the IRS and their IRC.
Thus, the IRS lacks both “in rem” jurisdiction over your assets (note– your labor is an asset), as well as “in personaum” jurisdiction your person.
In addition, according to the US supreme Court, as an American Citizen, you possess the unalienable Right and the Constitutional Right to sell or exchange you labor for cash or other property. Moreover, the US supreme Court has also ruled that the government may not tax the exercise of an unalienable Right or a Constitutional Right. And working for a living is both an unalienable Right AND a Constitutional Right.
Don't make the mistake of looking to the IRC in order to justify why you are not a taxpayer.
Try never to lose sight of the conclusive fact that the Internal Revenue Code was written for taxpayers and it does not apply to non-taxpayers such as yourself.
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- JWR wrote on Nov 30 2004, 11:21 AM:I downloaded that file and finally scanned through it for the most part. I am wondering how the court is going to respond to it, and if they are just going to ignore the facts that Irwin Schiff plainly laid out. Seems to me the only way they can get around it is to do like they did to Dick Simkanin. Just get a corrupt judge, an ignorant and brainwashed jury, and don't allow him to defend himself, and a conviction is almost completely assured. The only way to find him guity, in my opinion, is to suppress the truth, which seems to happen way too often.
To tell you the truth, if I had to go up against all this stuff (that is if I was an evil IRS agent), I would try to suppress it also. How else can you get around all these facts? It still makes my head swell every time I think about it. I mean, are these people evil or just so stupid the can't see reality if it bit 'em on the ***?
It still amazes me how corrupt this government has been allowed to grow, and how blind and docile Americans have become. That's not what was intended when we rebelled against England, to just become sheep, hoping the good sheppard (Uncle Sam) will protect us from all those bad wolves (terrorists). All we have to do is give up our rights, our property, our beliefs, and our will, and the government will keep us all safe, even from ourselves. Sounds like a pretty good deal, doesn't it?
I would rather be starving in the gutter than to accept a socialistic handout from these corrupt power hungry bast****. Too many people out there are too willing to give up a little bit of freedom for a little more percieved security. They will get neither. The problem with that is that our rights seem to be going right along with them. I don't personally know anyone (other than those here) that will actually defend their rights when challenged. There needs to be more out there willing to fight the good fight or we risk losing it all.
Well, seems I started ranting and got off topic. Sorry about that. There just seems to be too few willing to fight our controlling power hungry government and I went on a tangent.
But I don't see how Irwin could lose this case other than how I said above. He has too many facts backing him up.
JWR
BRAVO, JWR, sir!!!
Well said. You were not ranting at all.
I am with you all the way, brother. Don't ever lose hope. Ever.
And you were on point when you said that “these people” (meaning IRS employees and US Dept of Justice Lawyers and a corrupt federal judiciary) are indeed evil. They are very, very evil and very corrupted.
It is doubtful that they are all too stupid to understand the Truth. So their greed and evil nature takes over. In a word, they are souless.
There is a grass roots rebellion in America whose ranks are swelling greater every single day. What you see will happen in the future is that the Bilderbergers, the IMF, and the Alan Greenspan types, will orchestrate the demise of the dollar and start chanting for a world currency.
Forseeing the upcoming monetary changes, the wealthy class will try very hard to get Congress and President Bush to scrap the present IRC and insert some type of consumption or national sales tax BEFORE the US $$$ heads south. And it will be peddled to Americans under the guise of “tax simplification.”
Just you wait and see.
The script is written.
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- Author #2 wrote on Oct 27 2004, 01:08 PM:JWR,
You are 100% correct.? Dump the attorney and defend your own freedom.? You can't challenge jurisdiction any other way!? An attorney cannot assert any of your rights on your behalf.? Only YOU, the sovereign, can. Below is a very good explanation of why we can?t be free and at the same time allow an attorney to represent us in court.? The quote below is extracted from a federal court decision:
Quote:“The privilege against self-incrimination [Fifth Amendment] is neither accorded to the passive resistant, nor the person who is ignorant of their rights, nor to one who is indifferent thereto.? It is a fighting clause.? Its benefits can be retained only by sustained combat.? It cannot be claimed by an attorney or solicitor.? It is only valid when insisted upon by a belligerent claimant in person.“?? [U.S. v Johnson, 76 F. Supp. 538 (1947), Emphasis added]. . . Your attorney cannot claim or exercise any of the rights God gave you while he is representing you in any court proceeding. . .
God bless,
Author #2
The court case U.S. v. Johnson is an excellent cite. Thanks.
The musings below are purely hypothetical and are for discussion purposes only. I am NOT an attorney and do not give legal advice. If you need legal advice, you should consider seeking it from a licensed attorney. 😆
With respect to the Johnson Case, it is precisely the reason why, for example, when someone like Ollie North testified Before Congress, and when he was asked a question that he did not want to answer, it was Ollie himself, who claimed the 5th Amendment right not to incriminate himself, and it was not his battery of lawyers who claimed the privilege on Ollie's behalf.
The other thing I wish to mention is, it is my belief that one will lose the Constitutional protection of the 5th Amendment, if you invoke a blanket claim to plead the 5th. How?
Well, corrupt judges and USG attorneys conspire to trip up Americans by asking a simple question, such as, “Do you intend to invoke your 5th Amendment right against self incrimination, by refusing to answer all the questions? [NOTE: BEWARE, this is a trap. How can you possibly know the answer to their trick question, if YOU HAVE NOT YET BEEN ASKED THE QUESTIONS?]
If you say “YES”, it is my understanding that that is a blanket claim and therefore it nullifies and strips away your 5th Amendment Constitutional Right to not testify against yourself. At which point the Court can order you to testify and jail you for contempt for refusing to do so.
The proper way to reply to such a trick and deceitful question posed by the USG, is to simply say, “I don't know. Once I hear each question, I will thoughtfully deliberate and consider it, before I decide whether to invoke the 5th Amendment.”
One must “fight” for their rights, by invoking the 5th Amendment on each and every question.
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JWR,
Here is one html link to an article that was published in the Washington Post on April 29, 1998, which is among thousands on the internet, that confirms the corrupt and corrupting nature of the IRS and how it mismanaged and WASTED Billions of $$$$$ on a computer system that they ended up scrapping after they determined that it was useless. 😛 😆 😀
http://archives.thedaily.washington.edu/19…998/IRS928.html
The article also makes the important point how the top brass at the IRS, cover up unlawful activity and criminal behaviour allegedly perpetrated by senior IRS Officials.
And here is a report by the United States General Accounting Office, published in May 1999, that corroborates the article that appeared in the Washington Post. See, http://www.gao.gov/archive/1999/gg99082.pdf
Gee, given all of the criminal activity at such high levels of the IRS, who would have ever known that these guys had taken an oath to protect and defend the USA Constitution?
The sad part is that IRS Officials, as a general rule, are probably decent people, it is just that they have been brain-washed and lied to.
BSM is the IRS's acronym for Business Systems Modernization.
And check this out, the lead prime Contractor is none other than Computer Sciences Corp., or CSC, who is in the throes of a multi-billion $$$$ Accounting Fraud scandal wherein top CSC executives have allegedly intentionally mistated CSC financial statements. The SEC is investigating them as we speak.
Strangely enough, the media has so far failed to link up the alleged criminal activity at CSC and the fact that they are the main beneficiaries of a multi-billion $$$ USG contract to sell the IRS a computer system.
It would be nice if WTP Group publicized the IRS and CSC connection so the business press would start reporting the fact that the IRS, which, as the 1997-98 Congressional Hearings proved, is a criminal enterprise, and is apparently in bed with another alleged criminal enterprise, CSC.
As far as where I heard about the 4billion $$$ + failed implementation of the IRS phony computer systems, it was widely reported in the press several years ago. In addition, it has been chronicled in various Congressional testimony and in numerous Reports issued by the General Accounting Office.
Let me know if you want the url links to the GAO Reports.
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I predict that this move by the corrupt IRS is going to backfire BIG TIME. Just you wait and see.
I believe that this new debt collection initiative is a major strategic blunder by the IRS.
Sure, they might collect some money initially, but what is going to happen is that as the third party debt collectors are brought into the mix, those of us in the Tax Honesty Movement will begin educating the debt collectors about the voluntary nature of the IRS' income tax scheme, and the invalidity of the IRS's alleged claim that they are owed $$$ for income taxes.
Once the debt collectors get educated and realize and that there is a simple way to stop volunteering one's hard-earned money, to pay an income tax for which no enacted statute actually makes one liable, their natural greed will rise to the surface, and they too will stop all of their tax withholdings and they will stop filing income tax returns.
And with the internet at their disposal, word will begin to spread very quickly throughout the debt collection industry, that the IRS is corrupt and that it is relatively easy to lawfully stop paying income taxes, if you are not a taxpayer.
And the IRS's beloved “Tax Gap” will mushroom. 😀
Hmmm. I wonder who the IRS will hire to collect “back taxes” from the newly educated debt collectors, who will stop paying their income taxes?
I am very anxious to see how this all unfolds. It should be pretty funny.
I predict by 2008, this program will be canceled.
Remember, the IRS is the organization that spent in excessof $4 BILLION to update their computer systems, only to later admit that all of the money was wasted. And they started all over with BSM.
Chuckle.
Nice going, guys. 😀 😀 😆
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Thanks, Author #2. 🙂
I confess to ROTFLMAO at the addition of “Will Robinson”. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! 😀 😀 😆
Ahhh, when “Lost in Space” ruled the airwaves, life was alot simpler.
Now I have a yearning to watch “Speed Racer.”
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FIDDO, you Da-Man!!!
Great find, sir. 🙂
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Dude, they are jerking you around but good. And I mean that in the nicest way possible. They sense from how you have conducted yourself in the past, that you might be afraid of them, and they are circling you like a shark in the water.
I haven't received anything from the IRS in a loooong time and they too, long ago, sent me a Notice of Intent to Levy and, inter alia, I think they also sent me a Notice of Deficiency. But they never disrespected me the way that they appear to be dissing you.
They are treating you like a taxpayer and based on what you have posted, I surmise that in the past, you have sometimes acted as if you were a taxpayer.
Hypothetically speaking, one should bypass the IRS Peoria lackey, and put the IRS on the defensive by writing directly to the IRS top lawyers in Washington, DC. And merely send a notorized original to the IRS Peoria drone and wait and see how they reply.
You may want to rethink NOT writing directly to the IRS Peoria drone and instead, simply cc him on stuff you send to the IRS top lawyers. Jump all the way up the IRS food chain and let the IRS's top dogs know that you are fearless.
Once the IRS Peoria guys know that you willingly wrote to the IRS top lawyers, they will treat you differently.
You are a smart guy, JWR, Family Guardian Fellowship has this Forum and their website at your fingertips, so why not pull together 10-20 pages of material evidence and conclusive facts, and ask the IRS's top lawyers to disprove your facts and reveal the enacted statute and implementing regulation that makes American Citizens liable to pay income taxes to the IRS.
See how they handle that question first. Wait them out.
If you are a nontaxpayer, and if you have money in a bank, you may want to consider withdrawing it before the IRS steals it from you to pay an income tax that no law says you are liable for.
The object is to win without fighting. So long as you engage in activities that protract the matter, the IRS will do likewise and will attempt to build a case file that they can then try and use against you in court.
Stop playing by their rules and deadlines.
Build up your IRS Administrative Record by asking questions in good faith in your letters. Involve the IRS's top lawyers because I can assure you, none of them wants to get bogged down in the minutie of Joe Taxpayer. Use the IRS's top lawyers effectively and don't be afraid.
Good luck.
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You wait and see, in a few years, the government will begin to plant stories in the media saying that all infants should have the chip installed prior to being 2 years old, so as to make the child “safer” and allow law enforcement authorities to quickly track the child should the child be abducted by a child molestor/priest, etc.
Parents will be scared and tricked and lied to by the government, in order to get the chip embedded in their children.
This same approach was used to trick parents into having their children finger-printed. Many parents are very stupid.
And like a “true” Hegelian Dialectic, a few years from now, the government will bribe a stupid parent to have the tracking chip installed in an baby/toddler, and then through prior arrangement, the government will have the baby/child get lost/disappear, perhaps at a country faire/get kidnapped by government agents, and then have the Police miracuously “track” down the child via their “body-chip”.
Testing phase completed.
And the child will be located in an abandoned building, unharmed.
And all across the country, the TV and print media will tout the chip and write stories spouting off how the chip led to a quick recovery of the unharmed child.
Repeat as desired. Chip sales will skyrocket.
And the government and the Federal Reserve Board will be better able to track its slaves.
And the stupid parents (who are presently aged 18 and below), millions of whom are presently drugged by their own parents and forced to take Ritalin, etc, will foolishly trust the government and insist that their children be tagged by the government's tracking device.
Just like the PATRIOT ACT was already written prior to 9/11 and was kept on the shelf, waiting for the right opportunity, this body-chip script is already written.
America is being attacked and destroyed from within by the agents of our corrupt federal, state, and local governments who violate their oaths to protect and defend the USA Constitution.
Since our judiciary is incredibly corrupted, it is up to us, the Citizens, to remain strong and fight back.
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- Fiddo wrote on Oct 13 2004, 10:20 PM:Bing,
And did you forget the link for the case? 😮
No. I didn't forget.
I gave you the citation.
I have no idea if the case is on the internet. So I don't have an html link to give you.
I copied the case from the reporter, the old fashioned way.
You should definately give your company a copy of the Malinowski decision, because the court ruled that the company must accept the W-4 completed by the worker, and that the IRS has no legal authority to intervene and order that a W-4 be ignored or changed once it is submitted.
Go to a law library and look up the case and read it and see for yourself.
Good luck.
I surmise that it will be only a matter of time before the USG asserts that a US citizen MUST have one of these embedded chips in order to be eligible to receive welfare, social security, student loans, etc.
Just you wait and see.
I will never get a veri health chip. Ever!! 😡
