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JWR wrote on Jul 6 2005, 01:15 AM:Riverway, I got the same response on the 23C, but I don't remember if they told me what their “alternative” for this was.JWR
[post=”1590″][/post]I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY AND THIS POST IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
If I am not mistaken, what the IRS does, is, instead of producing the Individual 23C Assessment Report signed by a duly authorized IRS Assessment Officier, instead, they produce a RACS Report, which is a Summary report of alleged tax liabilities of all of the alleged taxpayers who live in the same area or region as the person against whom they are trying to steal i.e. levy and lien on.
One can not discern from the rolled-up summary RACS Report whether or if, one's allleged income tax liability is included in the RACS REport Summary Totals because the amounts listed in the RACS Reports are usually in the hundreds of millions and billions of dollars.
No individual names are listed in the RACS Summary Report.
Back on point.
Riverway Posted Jul 2 2005, 01:31 AM
“Just received letter 1058 Final Notice. Any suggestions about how to get my ducks in a row in case this Lien goes before a judge to get perfected? Will they usually take it to a judge?”
Sir, CDPH are for taxpayers. If your position is that you are NOT a taxpayer, then you should not be trying to schedule a CDPH.
If, in the IRS Notices that were sent to you, look to see whether the IRS has cited Code Section 6651 as their supposed authority to add on interest and penalties to the amount that they allege that you owe.
If they have cited section 6651, then you should write back to the IRS and deny that you are or were engaged in the manufacture, sale, and distribution of alcohol, tobacco, or firearms. Remind the IRS that 26 USC 6651 Implementing Regulations are contained in 27 CFR and not 26 CFR.
Also remind the IRS that according to the CFR Parrallel Table of Authorities and Rules, the Implementing Regulation for 26 USC 6651 does not appear in 26 CFR as it should, but instead, cross references 27 CFR, which deals with alcohol. tobacco, and firearms. And then tell the IRS that per 1 CFR 21.21 ( c ), the IRS is forbidden from citing 26 USC 6651 as their authority to assess penalty and interest, when they are attempting to collect an alleged income tax — as opposed to the lawful excise taxes on alcohol, tobacco, or firearms.
One option, in your effort to align your ducks, and I am speaking here, from a hypothetical standpoint only because I am not a lawyer and this post is not legal advice, is that you should consider bypassing the local IRS lackey who is writing to you, and instead, write directly to one or more of the IRS's top lawyers in Washington, DC, and then merely cc a signed, notarized, duplicate original of your letter signed under 28 USC 1746 (1), to the local IRS lackey.
And in that letter, tell the IRS lawyer that you want to fulfill all of your lawful obligations and pay whatever amount of income taxes are lawfully imposed upon you by an enacted positive law and an Implementing Regulation. Tell the IRS that you have been unable to locate the enacted positive law and related Implementing Regulation that makes an American Citizen liable to pay income taxes to the IRS. Politely and simply ask the IRS lawyer to please provide you with the legal citation that grants the IRS the lawful authority to demand that American Citizens pay income taxes to the IRS.
Tell the IRS laywer that if he refuses or fails to answer your reasonable, good faith questions, that you will presume that you had the lawful right to conclude that as an American Citizen who was not engaged in a “trade of business”, you are not required by any enacted, positive law and Implementing Regulation, to pay income taxes to the IRS.
And then sit back and wait for the IRS lawyer to reply.
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Gentlemen, let us not forget that the corrupt U.S. Congress often passes special laws and enacts positive laws, that are unconstituitional. And when they misbehave like that, it places an even greater burden on folks like us, who are law abiding American Citizens with knowledge of the USA Constitution, to make sure that we let folks know that what Congress is doing is unconstitutional.
In many cases, it can sometimes be years before a law is declared by a Court to be unconstitutional.
But, for those of us who understand and know the USA Constitution, if we genuinely believe that a specific law is unconstitutional, then we should continue on about our lives and not allow ourselves to be tricked into thinking that just because a law is on the books, that it is in fact, a valid law.
It is a fact that no legislative act by Congress can supercede the USA Constitution or any of its amendments.
In Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 442, the US Supreme Court ruled:
“An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties;affords no protection; it creates no office;it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”
Bobt12, sir, you are mistaken in your assessment that any legislative act by Congress can supersede the 4th Amendment. It cann't.
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Swweeeeeet! 😀
Absolutely perfect!!!
Another GREAT V-i-c-t-o-r-y for the Tax Honesty Movement.
It should come as no surprise that when Banister's attorney asked the IRS Employee with 30 years of IRS experience, to cite the law that required American Citizens to pay income taxes to the IRS, the IRS Employee said he COULD NOT CITE ANY SUCH LAW.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO LAW!!!!
Ahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!! 😛 😛 😛
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bland48, I agree in principle with you.
But it is a mistake to just look to Joe's trial for salvation.
Each of us who are lawfully non-taxpayers, must take a stand and assert our Constitutional Rights.
I encourage you to write affidavits to the IRS and tell them of certain facts and ask them to correct your facts. Ask the IRS to give you the citation of the enacted positive law and related Implementing Regulations, that legally require American Citizens to surrender their Constitutional Rights by signing an IRS Form 1040 Income Tax Return and paying income taxes to the IRS.
In your affidavit, disclose the url for the famguardian website and ask the IRS to disprove the facts in The Great IRS Hoax Book.
And if the IRS does not answer your questions within 60 days, kindly resend a copy of your previous affidavit every 20 days or so. Do this 3 or 4 times.
We have to collectively keep hammering away at them. Understand that we are also educating IRS employees when we disclose to them, unrefuted evidence that there is no enacted statute and Implementing that requires American Citizens to pay income taxes to the IRS.
As American Citizens, we must be vigilent in asserting our unalienable and Constitutional Rights.
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I understand completely your logic. Irwin Schiff talked similarly with respect to the 4th amendment and a seizure/garnishment, at the Truth in Taxationn Hearing.
See the 4th Amendment CD with the three witness as Larry Becraft, Irwin Schiff and John Turner.
This was similarly talked about before. Levies can only be made on government employees because the government already has the money of these employees.
Check it out
[snapback]1532[/snapback]Okay, Sonik, I will do that. I have not yet viewed any of the WTP 2002 Truth in Taxation Hearings CDs, but had planned to do that this summer. Thanks for the head's up.
Just to clarify my lead post a bit.
In most instances, an American Citizen goes to work for a firm or a corporation or a not-for profit firm with 501 ( c ) (3) status, and the hiring organization, prior to the new workers hire date, ALREADY has a Federal Government issued ID number. Subsequently, at the end of the calendar year, the worker generally will receive an IRS approved W-2 Form or, in some cases, an IRS approved 1099.
The point here is that I am guessing that since the hiring firm has a Federally issued ID number, and they report worker “wages” (which are in actuality, according to the IRC, not “wages at all, but simply renumeration) on a IRS created W-2 Form designed for “taxpayers”, then these facts tend to create the rebuttable presumption that the worker received $$$$$ from a source or sources located within the exclusive legislative jurisdiction of the USG.
And when the IRS and the DOJ Tax Division attorneys subsequently seek an indictment against the worker for willful failure to file, tax evasion, etc., and the hiring firm's Federal ID #, and the worker's W-2 Forms and/or 1099 Forms are in evidence (and those two documents contain the worker's US Government issued social security number), I am thinking that maybe, just maybe, that the USDC judges throughout America, somehow are taking silent judicial notice of the fact that the worker received $$$$ (i.e. US Government property), in the form of compensation, which came from a USG sanctioned/approved corporate entity/agency, or from the USG itself, and that that compensation, really was formerly the property of the US Government. And, I think that possibly the USA Const. 4:3:2 may somehow come into play here.
Please understand I am merely thinking out loud here and speaking in purely hypotheticals. I am not an attorney and I DO NOT GIVE LEGAL ADVICE. If any of you all can punch holes in my theory as outlined in this thread, please feel free to do so.
For the judges in America at the District Court level to so often ignore the Truth, the USA Constitution, and so many standing US supreme Court cases while presiding over income tax trials, it appears to me that there must be a whole lotta silent judicial notice occurring prior to and during the court trials, and that the parties to the litigation, especially the American Citizens who have been charged with a tax related crime, simply have no idea that the Court has predetermined certain material facts based solely upon its discretion and the authority that they have under the doctrine of judicial notice. And the craziest part of all that is, so far as I know, the Courts are under no lawful obligation to inform the disputants that they (the courts) have taken silent judicial notice of anything. Moreover, I have yet to read a single legal brief filed by and on behalf of any American Citizen/litigant, asking the Court to reveal the extent, scope, and substance of any facts which the Court has taken silent judicial notice of.
Now, if one accepts the premise that Judges across America are taking silent judicial notice of a myraid of material facts, and that said material facts are NOT revealed to the person charged with committing a crime, does this violate the American Citizen's Constitutional Right to due process of law because the Trial Record does not have all of the facts in evidence?
So,defendants charged with income tax crimes, are forced to defend themselves not knowing the complete set of facts (facts stipulated or admitted into evidence + the unknown facts that were silently judicially noticed by the trial court judge).
Moreover, Judges are instructing juries and making decisions in the course of a trial and at sentencing, knowing that they (the trial judges) have premeditated their judicial decisions based upon material facts and silent judicial rulings THAT ARE NOT IN THE TRIAL RECORD and ARE NOT IN EVIDENCE? Does doing this violate an American Citizen's due process rights?
And as most of us here in this Forum know, when one goes to appeal an adverse court decision, new facts may not be introduced on Appeal (except in the rarest of instances …i.e. exculpatory evidence withheld from defense counsel, etc.). So the Appealate Court likewise does not have an accurate Trial Record because they have no way of ascertaining what material facts were silently judicially noticed by the the original Trial Court Judge.
So, I am wondering, how come no one seems to have come up with the idea to try and pin down the judiciary, and get them to reveal on the record, which fact or facts the Court has ASSUMED exists, through its silent judicial notice?
I believe that every trial Record, especially the trial records where income tax offenses are alleged to have been committed, are incomplete unless and until the presiding judges reveal the material facts that they have taken silent judicial notice of. But no one ever seems to ask the presiding judges to reveal on the Record, the facts that they have taken judicial notice of, and perhaps this failure of inquiry during a trial is a strategic mistake by legal counsel or the pro se defendants.
So, the trial hums along and the Citizen/worker is often denied due process and often ends up being found guilty even though they in fact may not have committed any crime.
And the judges in these sham show trials, bask in the knowledge that they screwed over another American Citizen and perhaps they have justified their actions to themselves, based upon whatever decisions and conclusions they may have predetermined based upon whatever facts they may have taken silent judicial notice of.
WTP needs only $85,000 more.
If we can find only 100 people willing to donate $850 apiece, or even 200 people willing to donate just $425 apiece, we can reach our goal.
WTP and Joe Banister need our collective support and I hope that some of us who have benefited from the work and knowledge freely shared by the Family Guardian website and the We The People Web site, will step up to the plate and show our committment to our Cause, by donating to fund the WTP class action lawsuit.
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A non-taxpayer who is a Sovereign American Citizen who enjoys his unalienable Rights every single day.
- lchesson wrote on May 11 2005, 08:32 PM:Help me out if I'm missing something, but I do not see where a 1040EZ testifies to 14th ammendment citizenship. I am simply tying to correct their records. Perhaps all I really need to do is send a corrected 1099 and see what happens.[post=”1429″][/post]
No. It appears that you are clueless and don't deserve any help.
Figure it out for yourself.
You may want to consult http://www.irs.gov, I am sure they will have the answers which you seek.
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I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY AND THIS POST IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. THIS POST IS A HYPOTHETICAL REPLY ONLY
Ichesson, sir, hypothetically speaking, if one was not born on land that was lawfully ceded to the federal government per 40 USC 255 and its successors, 40 USC 3111 and 3112; and one is not employed by the USG, the District of Columbia or any of the agencies or instrumentalities thereof; and one does not have a domicile inside of same, then one is not engaged in a “trade or business” and one is not required under the IRC to make, sign, or file income tax returns.
Sir, you complain about being mired deep in the IRS Collection process, but it seems to me that you are forgetting that you are, or at least you have alleged, that you are a non-taxpayer.
If you are actually going to file income tax returns, 1040s, etc, when it is a conclusive fact that no positive enacted law requires you to do so, then you are putting yourself inside the jurisidiction of the IRS. In which case, you may want to consider simply paying whatever it is that the IRS is alleging that you owe and get it over with.
Putting all zeros on a 1040 and signing it, when no positive law requires one to do so, is stupid.
Either one is a taxpayer or they are a non-taxpayer.
IRS Tax Forms are ONLY for taxpayers. One can not use a tax form to prove that one is a non-taxpayer. It does not work like that.
If you are indeed a taxpayer, you should not be on this Forum but instead should use and rely upon http://www.irs.gov
Good luck.
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I don't understand what is so hilarious???
What am I missing tweety?
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It is deplorable and disgraceful, that the DOJ attorneys routinely violate their solemn oath to protect and defend the USA Constitution, in exchange for a paycheck and a cushy job working for the DOJ.
Shameful, shameful, shameful.
The DOJ Tax Division attorneys who engage in vexatious litigation against innocent, great American Citizens such as Author #2, Joe Banister, and Richard Simkanin should themselves be tried for treason and disbarred forthwith.
These DOJ attorneys, who are supposed to uphold the law and protect the unalienable Rights of American Citizens, are instead, using their public offices to terrorize honest, American Citizens who are pro-USA Constitution.
I am lost in the irony that on the outside of the DOJ Headquarters located in Washington, D.C., the following words are inscribed on the Robert Kennedy Dept. of Justice Building:
Quote:“Justice is founded in the right bestowed by nature upon Man.? Liberty is maintained in security of Justice. Justice in the life and conduct of the State is possible only as it first resides in the hearts and souls of the Citizens.”Here is hoping that one or more DOJ Tax Division attorneys will see the injustice of persecuting Author #2, and they will adhere to their lawful duty and solemn oath to protect and defend the USA Constitution.
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If you read the posts from the pro-IRS posters at http://www.quatloos.com, it quickly becomes apparent that they absolutely hate America. Not only that, their anti-USA and anti-USA Constitution stance is incredibly disrespectful to the men and women of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Not only that, the disrespect for the USA Constitution by the Pro-IRS, quatloos regulars, such as DEMOSTHENES, Joey Smith, AndyK, Quixote, Mithra, and evansDB, is made even more disturbing when young American soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting and dying to protect and defend the USA Constitution.
I am constantly referring every US soldier and sailor that I know and meet, to read the the quatloos website so they can see how the IRS and the DOJ and their own federal government, hates the USA and disrespects the USA Constitution. And the soldiers I have spoken with are, to a person, livid, to say the least.
The IRS shills who post at quatloos are their own worst enemy and their hatred of America is obvious to everyone. They are the Tax Honesty Movements best recruiters and the best part of it is, that they don't even know it.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahah.
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Great points tweety. Thanks.
I only wish to add that another good strategy is, say, for instance, you have a partner or colleague and you wish or need to communicate with via a secure email.
One option is to open up an email account at hushmail where both parties have the account password.
Establish 2 folders: One is for your emails sent to your colleague and the other folder is for his or her emails sent to you.
Then when you send an email to your trusted friend/client using your joint hushmail account, you simply use hushmail and send it encrypted to the exact same joint hushmail account.
All emails are confined within the one, joint hushmail email account where files and emails can be jointly managed and controlled.
Of course, both parties could have separate hushmail email accounts too, but then stuff is spread over two accounts instead of being self-contained within the one account.
Just a thought.
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By simultaneously and unlawfully attacking Joe Banister, Hansen, and SAPF, my hunch is that the DOJ and IRS are figuring that by distracting Hansen, he will not be as available as he otherwise might be, to answer and guide other non-taxpayers, such as Joe Banister.
I think the attack against Hansen is merely a ploy to distract him so that the corrupt and lying DOJ attorneys can zero in on other leaders of the Tax Honesty Movement, such as Joe Banister.
Banister's attorneys would do well to advance the jurisdictional argument in their Motion To Dismiss, and if they don't lead off with that legal arguement, Joe is gonna get screwed.
As the DOJ undertakes their assault upon the uSA Constitution and the 1st Amendment, it is very disturbing that the established Print & Broadcast Media HAVE NOT expressed their outrage.
I would love to see Hansen send out a one page, nation-wide Press Release, plugging the Hoax Book and telling the American People and News Organizations that the federal Government is attempting to unlawfully trample on his (and our) 1st Amendment Right to assemble in the Forum and share our ideas about the Constitution, the lying and deceptive practices of DOJ and IRS attorneys, and the corrupt tax system run by the IRS.
Perhaps a Press Release would increase the chance that Hansen would receive Amicus Briefs.
Bottom line, the Complaint against Hansen is bogus and the attorneys who drafted it and signed it, should be ashamed of themselves for their outright lies and deception.
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A happy guy who lawfully DOES NOT pay any income taxes.
Hmmmm. Hmmmm. And double hmmmmmm.
Good points.
Since we know that the attorneys employed in the DOJ Tax Division are liars who routinely violate their solemn oaths to protect and defend the uSA Constitution, it would not surprise me one bit if one or more DOJ employees have already registered at this EDUCATIONAL internet BBS Forum, with the intent of trying to get one or more of us non-taxpaying “regulars”, to give them legal advice.
So, be forewarned folks, if you happen to get a Private Message or email from a Forum Newbie who has a supposed tale of woe about how to deal with the IRS, proceed with caution because it may be a ruse and a trick. If you happen to get an email from one of the Newbies, I suggest that you tell them that they should read the Great IRS Hoax Book, especially chapters 3-4-5, and recommend that they join the SEDM Ministry and that they make a donation to same.
I have a Constitutional Right to assemble and gather with like minded American Citizens at this internet web site discussion board owned by famguardian.org, and to freely exchange ideas about the uSA Constitution and about the corrupt IRS and the liars that are employed by the DOJ and the IRS.
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rattler14 wrote on May 24 2005, 01:34 AM:Hmmm… there seems to be QUITE the amount of traffic on the family guardian forums as of late.Whereas before, I would see maybe 4 people total at any given time (registered and unregistered), I see as many as 12 people on at a given time at certain part of the day.
That's good right?
At first glance, I would say yes, but something seems amiss.
Certain sections have absolutely BALLOONED in hits. The “national” and “state national” citizenship sections have been receiving as many as 600+ views in a little over a week's worth of post time. Sections like “861 Position” and “Gun Control” have also exploded… yet “asset protection has not” and “social security numbers”.
Point being, either someone is directing positive traffic to the forum, or the forum is being monitored like a hawk as of late. Coincidental with the DOJ lawsuit? I guess they have nothing to do with taxpayer money.
Again, I could be making mountains out of molehills, but we are seeing some drastic changes in traffic here… I'm just curious as to where it's coming from.
as always, protect yourself
[post=”1462″][/post]I am NOT AN ATTORNEY and this post is NOT legal advice.
Hypothetically speaking, one may presume that your understanding and that of your “friend” are both correct.
Moreover, working for the US Government means that one is “engaged in a trade or business”, and, therefore, your “friend” will have “effectively connected income”. Working for the US Government is an excise taxable privilege, and it IS NOT an Unalienable Right nor is it a Constitutional Right.
If your friend gets the job with the VA Hospital, then he should simply sit down, shut up, and pay the IRS the income taxes that are due on his effectively connected income related to his VA job. I believ that EVERY taxpayer should pay to the IRS, whatever it is that they lawfully owe to them. I myself am lawfully a non-taxpayer, so I don't pay the IRS any money at all. 😀
Your friend can not have it both ways.
If he wants to be a non-taxpayer, he should forgo the job with the US Government and instead, seek a job in the private sector. It is as simple as this.
There is no need to overly complicate this matter.
If your friend intentionally and voluntarily chooses to enter into an employment agreement within the US Government, then he or she should pay ALL of the income taxes that are imposed upon him/her by the IRC.
Tell your friend to read Chapters 3, 4, and 5 of the Hoax book. Then you should try and persuade him or her to make a donation to the SEDM Ministry. It is a great Ministry and a great Cause.
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- rattler14 wrote on May 12 2005, 03:08 AM:This is ridiculous. . . How can someone just “disappear”. It's absurd![post=”1431″][/post]
I am friend's with someone whose brother simply vanished, while driving on an errand about 3 miles from his home. They have never found his car or his body.
Poof!! He simply disappeared. Family man. Same job for 20+ years.
It happens.
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