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March 14, 2018 at 5:32 pm #21498
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Subject: Socialism Definition
Good day to you;
This message is not intended to cause offense. I have noticed that the author of these documents tends to use the word “Socialism” a lot in places where it doesn’t belong. The author seems to be under the same kind of confusion about Socialism as most other people, and seems to believe that Socialism is synonymous with “Communism” which it is not. For educational purposes on this topic, I recommend the following video:
What is socialism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjwGzYbvyIc.This video does an excellent job of explaining what Socialism really is, and why it is so misunderstood.
In order to discontinue the perpetuation of this misunderstanding, I ask that you please review this video and other sources that you may find, and if you deem that the use of the word “Socialism” has been misused in your documents, to please update them.
Case in point: Communism is not Socialism, Socialism is not Communism. Capitalism and Socialism are complete and total opposites. Governments are not Socialist, they are State Capitalists. This will be explained in the video.
Thank you very much for your deep consideration on this topic, as I believe it is extremely important on the subject of freedom that we not be confused about the term “Socialism.”
I look forward to your response AFTER you have reviewed the subject material. Thanks again.
RESPONSE:
We watched the video in its entirety. We are familiar with Wolff and his videos have been posted to the SEDM Socialism playlist for years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dAmroKyzGY&list=PLin1scINPTOvZ8rxbiOsuA0pY_79K44Mp
We are not confused about the meaning of socialism. It is defined in the dictionary as government control or ownership of all property. The essence of ownership is the right to exclude, and therefore, under socialism the GOVERNMENT is the only one that can take any and all property away from others and you are not allowed to take it away from them or exclude them from using or benefitting from the use of property. Granting the government a monopoly on absolute ownership of property in and of itself violates the very notion of equal protection and equal treatment and ultimately results in religious idolatry.
Also, in effect, what Wolf he proposes is to turn ALL property ownership into a government franchises. This is extremely dangerous and in effect makes everyone into a slave of government. We discuss why this is and how it is accomplished from a legal perspective in the following resources on our site:
- Government Franchises Course, Form #12.012
https://sedm.org/Forms/FormIndex.htm
- Government Instituted Slavery Using Franchises, Form #05.030
https://sedm.org/Forms/FormIndex.htm
The main feature of Wolff’s discussion is to foment discontentment and covetousness, which is a religious sin that violates the Ten Commandments.
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
[Exodus 10:17, Bible, NKJV]It also hyper focuses on THEFT of private property and PRIVATE PROPERTY rights from those who don’t want to participate as a method of reform. No system based on compulsion or theft or covetousness can be a just system. By “just” or “justice”, we mean the following:
What is “Justice”?, Form #05.050
https://sedm.org/Forms/FormIndex.htmWhat professor Richard Wolff describes in the video is a form of shared ownership and control of a business. That shared ownership can and should be implemented WITHOUT government involvement and would be just as effective if it was. Employee ownership of companies, in fact, is ALREADY implemented and has been around for decades. It is called profit sharing or stock plans (rewards) in which employees can buy discounted shares of the company through their payroll.
Coops wouldn’t need government support or tax breaks to work if government couldn’t collect the FRAUDULENT taxes that would help it to begin with:
Great IRS Hoax, Form #11.302
https://famguardian.org/Publications/GreatIRSHoax/GreatIRSHoax.htmThere is NO DIFFERENCE between what Wolff describes and what has already been implemented. All corporations are instrumentalities of the government and as such, ownership of the company is ALREADY shared with the government.
At common law, a “corporation” was an “artificial perso[n] endowed with the legal capacity of perpetual succession” consisting either of a single individual (termed a “corporation sole”) or of a collection of several individuals (a “corporation aggregate”). 3 H. Stephen, Commentaries on the Laws of England 166, 168 (1st Am. ed. 1845). The sovereign was considered a corporation. See id., at 170; see also 1 W. Blackstone, Commentaries *467. Under the definitions supplied by contemporary law dictionaries, Territories would have been classified as “corporations” (and hence as “persons”) at the time that 1983 was enacted and the Dictionary Act recodified. See W. Anderson, A Dictionary of Law 261 (1893) (“All corporations were originally modeled upon a state or nation”); 1 J. Bouvier, A Law Dictionary Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States of America 318-319 (11th ed. 1866) (“In this extensive sense the United States may be termed a corporation”); Van Brocklin v. Tennessee, 117 U.S. 151, 154 (1886) (“`The United States is a . . . great corporation . . . ordained and established by the American people'”) (quoting United [495 U.S. 182, 202] States v. Maurice, 26 F. Cas. 1211, 1216 (No. 15,747) (CC Va. 1823) (Marshall, C. J.)); Cotton v. United States, 11 How. 229, 231 (1851) (United States is “a corporation”). See generally Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward, 4 Wheat. 518, 561-562 (1819) (explaining history of term “corporation”).
[Ngiraingas v. Sanchez, 495 U.S. 182 (1990)]
All stockholders of corporations are government contractors and therefore instrumentalities of the government:
The court held that the first company’s charter was a contract between it and the state, within the protection of the constitution of the United States, and that the charter to the last company was therefore null and void., Mr. Justice DAVIS, delivering the opinion of the court, said that, if anything was settled by an unbroken chain of decisions in the federal courts, it was that an act of incorporation was a contract between the state and the stockholders, ‘a departure from which now would involve dangers to society that cannot be foreseen, whould shock the sense of justice of the country, unhinge its business interests, and weaken, if not destroy, that respect which has always been felt for the judicial department of the government.’
[New Orleans Gas Co. v. Louisiana Light Co., 115 U.S. 650 (1885)]
Therefore, what he proposes is not a new idea. What would be a new idea is outlawing PRIVATE non-resident collectives who don’t want the government involved from forming PRIVATE entities not subject to tax. Do you think ANY government which has a monopoly on force would EVER permit this? NOT! The main entities that would be most likely to do this are religious entities because of biblical constraints, and therefore these entities would be DISCRIMINATED against BECAUSE of their religious practices in the system he proposes.
You state that Capitalism and Socialism are exact opposites. They are NOT. Corporations are capitalist and exist to make profit for the shareholders mainly. They are also government instrumentalities and franchises, as are the shareholders. Form #05.030. As such, government DOES own or control the property of corporations, which are government franchises. So they aren’t opposites.
You state that Socialism and Communism are not the same. They are the same when Socialism is implemented as follows:
1. The government has an equity interest in your labor and you as a human being and can take away ANY amount they want without limit. That implies they OWN you.
2. The government is permitted BY LAW to lie with impunity. This makes everything they say propaganda like the communists foment.That deception is described in:
Legal Deception, Propaganda, and Fraud, Form #05.014
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/LegalDecPropFraud.pdf3. The government controls the media because all the media outlets are government corporations that can be censored and regulated as government franchises.
All three of the above are necessary components of communism, which involves government ownership or control of all property, propaganda, and control of the media.
In fact, we also propose collective PRIVATE ownership and democracy just as he does, to the EXCLUSION of government. There is also no reason why ALL of the social services government presently provides and pays for with STOLEN money cannot be privatized and run by a PRIVATE collective and forced to compete in the open market, just as he proposes.
You have a lot of homework to do because you don’t understand that even what you PRESUME are private enterprises are in fact PUBLIC. The following memorandums of law helps clarify the oversimplification of Wolff about Capitalism:
Corporatization and Privatization of the Government, Form #05.024
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/CorpGovt.pdfGovernment Instituted Slavery Using Franchises, Form #05.030
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/Franchises.pdfAt this point, please define:
1. What you mean by “State Capitalist”
2. Why you think that Corporations are NOT governmental or PUBLIC after reading the above.
3. Why collective ownership of companies needs to have the government involved to be truly successful as he suggests.
4. Why employee ownership of companies ALREADY in existence for decades doesn’t fit the plan he has for what he calls “socialism”.
5. EXACTLY what document, page number, line number, and statement in any and all publications posted or linked on our site MISREPRESENTS the nature of socialism as it is legally defined, which is defined as government ownership or control of all property. The following should provide a good starting point for what we mean by “socialism”:
Socialism: The New American Civil Religion, Form #05.016
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/SocialismCivilReligion.pdfPlease post your response to the following for all to read:
"Two things I request of You (Deprive me not before I die): Remove falsehood and lies far from me; Give me neither poverty nor riches— Feed me with the food allotted to me; Lest I be full and deny You, And say, “Who is the Lord?” Or lest I be poor and steal, And profane the name of my God."
[Prov. 30:7-9, Bible, NKJV]March 16, 2018 at 4:41 pm #21507I appreciate your most informative response.
You will have to forgive me, I come from a background in Philosophy and I only started studying the Law about 6 months ago. I do, indeed, have a long ways to go and a lot to study still. I began studying the Law recently because I am inheriting my father’s business, who has always run his business as a Sole Proprietor and never paid taxes (except the one time he got sued for over $25K). I wish to operate the business as a lawful entity, but I also do not support the IRS/IMF scam and do not wish to participate in unlawful and fraudulent Income Taxes, and that is the reason I began studying the law.
1. By “State Capitalist” I mean, as opposed to “Private Capitalism.” Private Capitalism is like what we have the United States where the Capitalists are the Private Sector Businesses. Many of the businesses in the United States are actually Gov’t owned Corporations, but also many of them are owned and operated by Foreign Trusts. Google is a prime example, minus the Trust. Last time I checked (and I am going by memory here) Google paid a little over $2 Million in taxes one year, probably mostly income tax and FICA on their employee payroll, while they actually received over $2 Billion in tax returns as a result of their business having far more in tax deductions than they paid in taxes, simply because the Primary Office of the Business is located in Bermuda which has no Income Tax, leading the Company to make a revenue from tax returns.
On the other hand, Russia is a great example of “State Capitalism” where the Gov’t exclusively owns everything and such things as Private Business doesn’t even exist (again, this is based on memory, and I have much less research involved in Russia than the US). Essentially, State Capitalism is where the Gov’t is the Capitalist and owns all the Businesses and everyone else is an Employee, and Private Capitalism is where Businesses [at least appear] to be owned by Private Individuals. Also again, most businesses in the US are the legal property of the Gov’t, however, most of those businesses (especially the highest grossing businesses) are further owned and operated by Private Foreign Trusts (if they aren’t Foreign Entities to begin with) which essentially take the ownership [mostly] back out of the hands of Gov’t, but still keeps the Company subject to Statutory Law, they still have to file Taxes and pay Taxes, but if they play their cards right, they either pay significantly less in taxes, or even get a larger return than they paid in, like Google above (if that Article I read that one time was actually true).
2. Therefore, I do realize that Corporations and other legal entities are Public, and thus the property of the Gov’t, which is exactly what I would like to avoid happening with my Home Improvement Business. The only way I have discovered to skirt around the Gov’t is to establish your business in Foreign Gov’t with a Foreign Trust that owns it. Good places to do this are typically the Cook Islands, Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Panama, and others. Another good way to do this is to establish a non-profit foundation that owns and operates all of your businesses. If you establish your businesses as domestic entities, they will still be subject to domestic Statutes, but they will be immune from income taxes via their ownership under a non-profit foundation. The non-profit foundation is bit more work as it involves actually establishing a real non-profit foundation with a real purpose, which I intend to do someday, but first things first. I’m currently leaning towards a Foreign Trust and and Foreign LLC through the Cook Islands for my first Business Venture.
3. I personally do no believe that any Gov’t needs to be involved with any employee owned companies. I don’t see the need for Gov’t to be involved in anything. Quite personally I consider myself to be a Spiritual Anarchist, similar to your Religious Anarchism, except that I do not subscribe to any particular religion, however I do believe in a singular God of all Creation, and I am a follower of what is known as “The Law of One” which states that God is All and All is God; that there is only One and that One is the God of all Creation; that all people are inherently FREE and EQUAL as All people and things are God and God is All people and things experiencing Its Creation through the infinitely various and limited perspectives of all things in Creation. So I believe that employee owned companies can exist without Gov’t involvement. However, I have a slightly different approach to the employee owned model myself. I’m not sure if you are familiar with the Holacracy model (https://www.holacracy.org/), but I am developing a similar model based on a slightly different, but just as naturally existing approach. While the HolAcracy is based on the Holarchy of Nature, my HolOcracy is based on the Holographic Nature and Structure of the Universe. I am currently developing a website for my HolOcracy, it is not up and running yet.
What I would like to accomplish in the future for my businesses, is to structure them as a Holocracy, regardless of what kind of entity that makes the business, so long as the business is not the property of any Gov’t and is Privately Owned and Operated by it’s “Members” (there are no employees/employers in the Holocracy). The Holocracy would be most similar to a Member Managed LLC in that it is managed by its members, but is most similar to an Employee owned business, in that everyone that works in the business is an Equal Co-owning/Co-managing Member, with an equal income to everyone else (it’s not just a free for all though, there are rules and regulations to help maintain efficiency and equal accountability). There is otherwise too much to explain about the Holocracy in this response, if you are curious I can give you the link to my website once it is up and running, but I still have a lot to figure out before I make it public. I’ve been working on it for two years now, at first, from a philosophical approach, but since I began studying the Law, it’s been going through a lot of changes and growing pains (Honestly, I could use some help, or it will take me FOREVER).
4. What Wolff explains is that Socialism is a highly misunderstood term mainly because of how it was initially synonymous with Communism, but then Russia, one of the first to become so-called “Communist” never actually finished becoming Socialist, they merely made it as far as becoming State Capitalists, and then Lenin’s Successor (can’t remember his name) instead of finishing what Lenin started and reforming Russia entirely into Socialism merely declared that the current state of affairs was Socialism and that they would call it “Communism.” However, the current state of affairs was not yet Socialism as Wolff defines it, it was merely “State Capitalism” as explained above.
Socialism is mostly defined by its root word “Social” whereas Capitalism is also most defined by its root word, “Capital.” Capitalism claims to create a “free enterprise,” but you can clearly see that only the people on top of the Capitalist Pyramid are the one’s that are “free” while all the “employees” are actually slaves/serfs. On the other hand, Socialism claims to protect the “freedom and equality” of all its people. With or without “ownership” True Socialism, as I understand it, would protect the Freedom and Equality of all people as that is the fundamental basis of True Socialism. In Socialism, I believe there would be absolutely no concept of ownership at all, it’s either that, or everyone needs to have equal ownership status (such as in the Holocracy). Essentially, from my point of view at least, God is the only one that can claim to have ownership of any land, because only God created the land. In a business, a creation of Mankind, ownership under True Socialism would either have to be God owned and Member operated, or Member co-owned and operated (such as in the Holocracy). Either way, the basic premise of Capitalism, just like the basic premise of Statism is the the centralization of wealth, power and authority. While True Socialism demands the decentralization of wealth, power and authority, and this is what makes Socialism the opposite of Capitalism. Capitalism is based on Centralization, and Socialism is based on Decentralization.
Again, the reason modern Communism is so confused with True Socialism is because a) they were originally synonymous and b) modern Communism claims to be True Socialism when it never actually finished becoming Socialism, and so Modern Communism is no longer synonymous with Socialism, but rather Communism is “State Capitalism” and Democracy is “Private Capitalism.” I got all that from watching Wolff. So perhaps he was mistaken about something? Personally, I like the idea of True Socialism as I have described herein, whether or not it agrees with any other version or definition of Socialism. But I am led to believe that Socialism is actually completely misunderstood today because of the confusion of how it became what is currently modern Communism, which modern Democracy is quite synonymous with in the sense of how the Gov’t operates.
I personally believe in Self-Government and am working on an idea for a new Societal Structure and Social Compact which defines a Holographically Organized Socialist Anarchy form of Self-Gov’t, that is really not all that different from existing systems; the differences are mainly in the psychological effects of the language and structure used in the promotion of Freedom and Equality for all (Otherwise, there is really no other way to organize a society, so the main differences are upon how the organization is defined and described. The main problem with our current governmental systems is the Pyramid Structure and language that psychologically destroys Freedom and any sense of Equality). But if I am, in fact, incorrect about my use of the word “Socialist,” then I will have to find a better word to use. At the moment, Socialism makes the most sense as the term to use based on the term itself and the meaning of True Socialism as herein described.
March 17, 2018 at 12:26 pm #21520Kamiron Freeman,
The bible says that people who focus on philosophy rather than REAL LAW from the Bible are an abomination. You should study law BEFORE you study philosophy:
One who turns away his ear from hearing the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination.
[Prov. 28:9, Bible, NKJV]“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.”
[Col. 2:8, Bible, NKJV]
You have some rather unique views. We also appreciate the fact that as a non-christian, you find our materials worthy of attention. Many atheists dismiss Christianity as overly emotional, silly, or based on superstition rather than facts, which is far from the truth.
Problems with Atheistic Anarchism, Form #08.020
https://sedm.org/Forms/08-PolicyDocs/ProbsWithAtheistAnarchism.pdfFundamentally, your definition of “socialism” is wrong. Look it up in the dictionary, it is state ownership or control of ALL property. That means CENTRALIZATION, not DECENTRALIZATION, because property then becomes a means to control EVERYONE. This makes individual absolute ownership or control IMPOSSIBLE and decentralization therefore IMPOSSIBLE.
The reason that socialism results in slavery and not personal rights is that once the government has a monopoly on absolute ownership, then it uses that ownership to place conditions or restrictions on every conceivable human behavior. Control of the property becomes a method to implement civil franchises and exert TOTAL control over everyone. The basis of all civil franchises, in fact, is the LOAN of government property:
Government Instituted Slavery Using Franchises, Form #05.030
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/Franchises.pdfI also think you are overlooking the fact that in socialist systems, there is no true equality and republican government is IMPOSSIBLE. Republican government is based on NATURAL powers delegated by individual people to the collective. Socialism turns that upside down and because the state possesses a monopoly on absolute ownership, which means they have a power that was NOT delegated by the people because the people do not HAVE that power.
In a socialist system, there is the MOST EXTREME inequality possible between the government and the governed. In a republican system, the government and the governed are EQUAL and therefore, the government can never be tyrannical. Wolff seems to deliberately omit this VERY important concept, which is also explained in:
What is “Justice”?, Form #05.050
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/WhatIsJustice.pdfIf you want true decentralization, absolute ownership of private property is the ONLY way to implement it. Centralizing absolute ownership of all property with a socialist government leads to an unworkable economic system, as explained in the following video:
America’s Socialist Origins
https://sedm.org/americas-socialist-origins/Stick to our pamphlet on Socialism, which properly defines socialism and explains HOW the current government implements socialism through the welfare state and tax system. Its NOT what Wolff proposes and he has NO AUTHORITY to redefine a word that is already defined to make what he proposes LOOK better but accomplish the same very damaging results.
Socialism: The New American Civil Religion, Form #05.016
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/SocialismCivilReligion.pdfIt’s good that you are studying these things carefully to figure out the best business model for your new inherited business, which is much more than most people do. But your understanding of socialism is way off base and Wolff doesn’t have it right either. That’s why Form #05.016 above is necessary to get the PART of socialism (the BAD part) that Wolff conveniently doesn’t explain.
The main point you are missing is the evils of all collectivist systems, which are explained in:
1. Communism, Socialism, and Collectivism Topic
https://famguardian.org/Subjects/Communism/Communism.htm
2. Collectivism and How to Resist it, Form #12.024
https://sedm.org/LibertyU/Collectivism.pdfThese forums are not intended as a didactic device to lead you through a personal education process. We do not have the resources to become your personal tutor. You need to diligently study the above concepts and authorities provided before you will realize the extreme bias, error, and cognitive dissonance that Wolff proposes. His system is completely impractical and is based on covetousness, discontentment, selfishness, and religious idolatry so it is unsustainable and will therefore be permeated by strife and eventually destroy itself. Do not proceed further with this discussion unless and until you have studied everything we mentioned so far carefully, including previous posts on the subject by us. As we said, you have much learning and study to do before you will completely understand the impracticality of both Wolff’s position and yours.
“It’s better to close your mouth and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
[Family Guardian]Please consider downloading and reading the free Path to Freedom, Form #09.015. It explains most of the flaws in your thinking as a relative newbie to this site. It saves you and us a ton of time coming up to speed:
Below is a good video that gives the OTHER side of what Wolff proposes, which of course would completely destroy the appeal of Wolff and explains why he refuses to discuss BOTH sides of the issue. I would like to see him debate the fellow in the video below:
Ten Things Millennials Should Know About Socialism, Thomas J. DiLorenzo "Two things I request of You (Deprive me not before I die): Remove falsehood and lies far from me; Give me neither poverty nor riches— Feed me with the food allotted to me; Lest I be full and deny You, And say, “Who is the Lord?” Or lest I be poor and steal, And profane the name of my God."
[Prov. 30:7-9, Bible, NKJV]April 7, 2018 at 1:33 am #21609So I’ve studied a bit more since then, but I haven’t changed my mind about Socialism. The definition of Socialism says that ALL PEOPLE control public affairs, however you wish to specify that. No where in the definition of Socialism does it say that the Government controls everything, nor is it ever implied in Socialism that there is no such thing as Private Ownership. That is a Capitalist assumption, a knee jerk reaction to a fear of potential loss of property by the capitalist.
I will also exclaim that, after reading “Collectivism, and how to avoid it” that almost everything in that paper that talks about Socialism is actually talking about Capitalism. I would give examples, but then I would end up pasting the whole document here.
One important Note I feel I must convey is this: Virtually EVERY parable in the Bible that Jesus makes about the Kingdom of Heaven is basically a definition of Socialism. How can a devout Christian be so against Socialism, unless they have a grave misunderstanding of what it really is?
All that said, I must exclaim that I am most certainly NOT an advocate of Socialism. I see Socialism, by itself, as being fundamentally incomplete. I also see Anarchy and the Republic, by themselves, as being fundamentally incomplete. But when you mix all three together you get something wonderful.
In my own words, Capitalism is the Service-to-Self model of Service based on Slavery, while Socialism is the Service-to-Others model of Freedom based on Service. Capitalism works for those who are Selfish, and Socialism works only for communities of people who are truly Selfless. The two are oil and water. They will never mix. It doesn’t mean that Socialism doesn’t work, it simply means it doesn’t work for Selfish people, or for communities of a mixture of both Selfish and Selfless people.
But again, I do not advocate Socialism. I have come to develop what I call the Holocracy, which has matured into what I define as a Holographically Organized Socialist Anarchy Republic. And someday, I will most certainly make it a reality. When my book is complete and fully compiled (it is being scrutinized for clarity by others right now) I will post it here. Unless the administrator of this thread wishes me not to.
Peace.
April 8, 2018 at 4:37 am #21610Kamiron,
You have completely missed the dictionary definition of socialism:
“socialism n (1839) 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
[Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, 1983, ISBN 0-87779-510-X, page 1118]Problems with what you just said:
1. “ ALL PEOPLE control public affairs”. FALSE. Not ALL people want to be citizens or residents or participate in the state by claiming or pursuing such status. That includes us. Therefore, NOT “all people” control public affairs, but a SMALL SUBSET. The USA has the lowest voter participation in the world, and those who don’t participate control NOTHING and are NOT “represented” by those in power because they don’t “choose” those in power. See:
Non-resident Non-Person Position, Form #05.020
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/NonresidentNonPersonPosition.pdf2. “No where in the definition of Socialism does it say that the Government controls everything, nor is it ever implied in Socialism that there is no such thing as Private Ownership. ” FALSE. The definition above says
“ governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state”.
That means, fundamentally, that the government owns or controls EVERYTHING. You can’t on the one hand claim that there is no private property, and on the other hand claim that the PUBLIC doesn’t control all property. The two go together. The essence of ownership is the right to exclude. If you can’t exclude the GOVERNMENT or the STATE from using, benefitting from, or controlling your property that you don’t injure others with means the STATE is the owner of EVERYTHING. Can you deprive the government from “property tax” on your house without LOSING your house? Then you don’t OWN your house.
You need to study the laws of property because you obviously don’t understand them. See:
Enumeration of Inalienable Rights, Form #10.002, Sections 6 and 7
https://sedm.org/Forms/10-Emancipation/EnumRights.pdf3. “Virtually EVERY parable in the Bible that Jesus makes about the Kingdom of Heaven is basically a definition of Socialism.” False. Every parable describes control or ownership of all property by God and NOT man, and identifies us essentially as STEWARDS over God’s Property. Ownership or control of everything is NOT “collective” ownership because God is SINGULAR and NOT collective AND because you are not allowed to be God and therefore cannot control what belongs to God without following His instructions in the Bible trust indenture.
4. “In my own words, Capitalism is the Service-to-Self model of Service based on Slavery, while Socialism is the Service-to-Others model of Freedom based on Service.” NO. Christians following the capitalist model are ultimately acting as stewards for God under the Bible Trust Indenture, and therefore are NOT doing so mainly for the benefit of SELF, but rather for God as the owner and CREATOR of anything and everything.
5. “How can a devout Christian be so against Socialism, unless they have a grave misunderstanding of what it really is?”
ANSWER: Socialism is control by a MAN or a group of men of all property. Christianity is control by God through his Bible trust indenture. We are only Christians when we obey His law and his delegation order in the Bible:Delegation of Authority Order from God to Christians, 13.007
https://sedm.org/Forms/13-SelfFamilyChurchGovnce/DelOfAuthority.pdf6. Even when the “public” or the “state” or the “government” CLAIMS ownership and/or control of all property, ultimately that control is not shared by everyone because those who choose NOT to be part of the civil state and not statutory “persons” cannot exert ANY control and are therefore PUNISHED in violation of the First Amendment for disassociating civilly with the state. Every system of government must recognize those who are NOT part of the state but who where born in the country, and not deprive them of any and all property by giving MONOPOLY control or ownership effectively to the state. That would DEFINITELY NOT be a “republic” based on individual rights and private property. A person without the right to absolutely and exclusively own PRIVATE property is a SLAVE and chattel of the collective, not a free human being. This is explained in:
Ministry Introduction Course, Form #12.014
https://sedm.org/Ministry/MinistryIntro.pdfIN CONCLUSION: Your research is totally inadequate and totally incomplete because you missed the most BASIC aspects of the dictionary definition of socialism and your explanation completely contradicts that definition. For more definitions, See:
Sovereignty Forms and Instructions Online, Form #10.004, Cites by Topic: “Socialism”
https://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/CitesByTopic/Socialism.htmWe shouldn’t have to explain such BASIC observations as the above. If public school didn’t teach you the above, your education was a waste.
"Two things I request of You (Deprive me not before I die): Remove falsehood and lies far from me; Give me neither poverty nor riches— Feed me with the food allotted to me; Lest I be full and deny You, And say, “Who is the Lord?” Or lest I be poor and steal, And profane the name of my God."
[Prov. 30:7-9, Bible, NKJV]April 8, 2018 at 3:32 pm #21616Touche.
And public education systems don’t teach these things. And misinformation is easier to find these days than truth.
Socialism and anarchy are literally the most misunderstood and confusing topics to understand.
Thank you for clarifying Socialism for me.
Kamiron-
P.S. Do you know of a term that relates to “control by all people?”
April 8, 2018 at 6:19 pm #21617I am updating my book based on the facts I have learned in this forum. When I am done with the updates, would you be willing critique, or even downright criticize my book? I do not wish only for people who might agree with the notions contained within it to be the only ones to give me feedback. In order to make it the best that it can be, I also need people who might disagree with it to give me feedback.
Kamiron-
April 9, 2018 at 3:43 pm #21620Absolutely, but on two conditions:
1. If it is good, we insist on publishing it on this or a sister site, as we have done many times before for other authors.
2. We reserve the right to reuse the end product in other documents available through this site.
To ensure that our time is not wasted, please perform excruciating quality control on it so we don’t become a grammar and spelling checker and can focus on CONTENT, rather than mechanics.
"Two things I request of You (Deprive me not before I die): Remove falsehood and lies far from me; Give me neither poverty nor riches— Feed me with the food allotted to me; Lest I be full and deny You, And say, “Who is the Lord?” Or lest I be poor and steal, And profane the name of my God."
[Prov. 30:7-9, Bible, NKJV]April 10, 2018 at 3:09 pm #21640Yes. That is absolutely fine. As I am prone not to catch my own typos because I already know what it is supposed to say, I will have an editor look it over before I send it to you.
The book is also undergoing some other major revisions as a result of some new books I’ve been introduced to by one of my translators. So it may be a few months, or perhaps as long as a whole year before I call it finished.
The book is meant to be for free distribution, not for sale. If that is okay with you, I would appreciate it if you would publish it on any of your sites, should you come to appreciate its content.
Thanks for everything,
Kamiron-
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